Agreed. Debate is far better than argument and I think we both respect each other enough in real life not to get bogged down in straight up arguing. If we had all started living the best we could without hurting others centuries ago, all would be good but sadly, that hasn't been the case and here we are, many of us living in a way that hurts not only others but ourselves and our future selves too.
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Unfortunately we can't control what happened centuries ago, only what we do now. Unless you're also working on a time machine in your workshop. 😏 It may be too little too late, but I feel like the 60s/70s hippy movement started a ball rolling to the point where most people now are certainly more aware of problems with the damage we've caused and more receptive to conversation about it.