Imagine having a conversation with a good friend of yours, and you tell them about your weekend, the things you did and the people you talked with, how it made you feel, and what it might mean to you - and their response was something along the lines of;
I enjoyed what you said about doing things and it is important to do things with people. I hope you will do more things in the future.
Feel supported?
I get a lot of comments like that, where people are obviously looking for a vote, but don't care enough to actually engage with the content or add their own experiences. What they don't seem to understand is that while I might give a vote to start with as encouragement, if the conversation doesn't progress, I will start cutting them off, because it is useless and adds nothing to the content collateral. It is just a transaction on the blockchain, but meaningless to humans.
For some of course, I have been talking with them for many years and the conversations have ranged across a myriad topics and they have added their own experience and expertise, their personal views, and bits of themselves to the conversation for years on end. Those people, I support regardless of whether their comment is long or short, because they add value to my life experience.
If someone isn't even trying to add value on my article to my world or that of the other people commenting and reading comments, why would I reward it?
What is interesting is that those who have commented for years, while I am sure they appreciate getting the vote on their comment, aren't driven to comment by that vote. Those who don't even bother to put in the effort, are those who seem to want and need the vote in order to comment. And what this means is that they will continually go about targeting who gives them a vote, but will never build up a solid audience for themselves, meaning they will forever be reliant on others. Not that they will see forever, because they rarely last long.
What I find societally interesting about this isn't the behaviours incentivised by vote value, but the lack of social understanding in how humans operate. It is like people have no skills to hold a conversation, nor do they have any experience worth mentioning to be interesting. At least from the mundanity of the comments I get from some people, they must be the most boring, uninteresting people in the world, with the social skills of a wet towel heaped in the corner.
What does their real life look like?
I am not talking about what they have or whether they are rich or poor, but how are they as people and how do they interact with others? Do they behave well, do they have good friends, are they personable, do people like them, are they reliable and trustworthy? But I get no sense of this from them and instead, I just find them inauthentic, calculating and conniving. They might believe themselves to be doing what they need to do, but what they are apparently doing is attempting (poorly) to manipulate others for a short-term result, rather than building long-term growth.
I find it pathetic.
But this is the view I get of it through the way they interact with me, and without any other kind of baseline or relationship built over time, this is what my opinion is. What annoys me in myself is that I feel that I should still comment on it and give it a vote for at least adding some effort, but why should I? Why should I put my time and effort into doing something that they don't have the courtesy to do themselves, when there are other people who do put in effort and add value?
Experience counts for a lot on Hive in my opinion, where the people who tend to get the most engagement, are also the ones who have been willing to put their own experiences into their work and interactions. People who have views and opinions, and are able to hold a conversation over the space of time. This also tends to be the people who have a bit of age behind them, as the younger people tend to not be able to commit to anything for long enough on Hive to make an impact. And making an impact is important in relationships, because without it,
no relationship forms.
The internet is an interesting place, because anyone can take part, even if they have no skills in a particular area. However, Hive is also an interesting place because those who have no skills or experience to interact and be interesting with others, tend not to do very well. As I see it, humanity is better when people are willing to learn skills and share their experiences, rather than interact at such shallow levels, that it would be more rewarding to speak to a wall.
Or lay on the floor and stare at the ceiling.
Taraz
[ Gen1: Hive ]
Be part of the Hive discussion.
- Comment on the topics of the article, and add your perspectives and experiences.
- Read and discuss with others who comment and build your personal network
- Engage well with me and others and put in effort
And you may be rewarded.
I'm totally here for the votes... :)
I knew it!!!
You turd!🤣
Lol!
I think it has a lot to do with effort. I also find myself baffled at the lack of effort some people are willing to put in and still expect results.
Now, this makes me think about the lack of sympathy or even empathy I am showing toward people who have illnesses or heavy circumstances that prevent them from putting in the effort I do. In the things I choose to put effort into that is. I am sure other people see a lack of effort and caring that I might put into some things but don’t appreciate I might not have the bandwidth to care about everything. Maybe I am just tired out or lazy.
After that rumination, I usually settle back into the notion that showing up seems to be more than half the battle these days as others interpret the inconvenience of human connection as an assault on their peace. Then, some seem to suffer the vacuum of that peace and toil in disconnected obscurity.
I let people be who they are for the most part but really wish they would choose a life of exercising those skills to stay in shape enough to create and foster those connections. Illnesses and circumstances aside, showing up is admirable but it needs to be coupled with effort otherwise that is just busy work. I am too old for that shit.
I guess it is the same in their waking world.
Sure, but this is commenting for a reward. If someone has circumstances that allows them to dribble some nonsense but not put any thought in, is this where they should be spending their time?
Worse than busywork, as I reckon it has a negative impact all round.
Exactly.
From my personal experience, by far, Hive lacks sincere interaction and conversation. I havev seen tons of people (content creators), getting huge sum of votes, and zero comments on regular basis. Let's just forget about the big votes, there is also this contest culture on Hive. And, it is quite helpfulfor new/short users. But, the problem is same, there is no genuine interaction at all. No matter, how good the post is, there is no meaningful dialogue attached. Or maybe, the post carries no meaning at all.
In this regard, I loved it when top comment started providing its services. Perhaps, this way people will start to show real concerns. But, my question is: why do we need some capital attachment to be meaningful?
Personally, I find Reddit the best platform to really construct and deconstruct one's ideas. Hive also needs some modification in this regards. Otherwise, let us have transactional values.
Oh, I forgot about the good part. I occasionally comment on people's post, and then, I eagerly wait for their replies. Because, I, on some occassions, have disagreed with them, respectfully. However, there is no response at all :)
I do not want to sound cheesy, but I think you have been playing a significant role in changing this culture. You take the time to read, engage meaningfully and reply. A year back, I wrote a post about how special occasions do not feel special anymore, and you gave such a unique suggestion (I wanted to write advic/se but I forgot which one is the right one) that I still use it with others. T them, it is my personal line. Hehehe :)
This is the problem - people expect their content to be discovered. It doesn't work that way. It requires interaction with others, and that takes time. Sure, the rewards might not be life-changing for most people, but if you want to be rewarded, it still takes work. Some of the people commenting on my articles will earn more from interaction than they will on their posts.
We don't. I find meaning with out it, don't you? The people who are writing for reward alone, tend not to do well either.
This is a problem too. I struggle with it at times because the notifications aren't very good and I no longer have the habit to go through all of my replies. I think the notification system should be set up differently so that you can go straight to comments that haven't been replied to yet.
I try to play my small part here. We all have small parts perhaps - some bigger than others, but if everyone put in a little effort, it would be quite different across the board.
Just before May, I was having the same approach. I spent most of my time interacting with others; however, I started to follow a balanced approach. I still procrastinate, but way better than previous one.
And, I believe writing, reading or anything related to wisdomic knowledge is itself a reward. The purpose is learn first, and earning is just a part of this journey.
Read wide, write what you enjoy. I think it is a bit like trying new foods and flavours to become a chef :)
Yep definitely here just for the upvotes, nothing to do with interesting reading or anything XD
I am still bad at getting into comment sections
Though I did have to giggle at the opening example because honestly I feel like I do something akin to that whenever someone just needs to get something off their chest and they're having a good rant and I'm kind of just making affirming noises if I don't have to delicately (which for me is basically just tapping instead of hitting with the hammer, I am so not good at interactions) push back on what I see as misconceptions x_x
Sounds like too much hustle and/or following the letter rather than the spirit of old blogging advice.
Well I mean best case scenario it teaches people how to make better comments?
In fairness to the younger people, they might have less experience with asynchronous chats. I have the opposite problem so you'd likely think I couldn't hold a conversation if you had to talk to me in person XD
and you wouldn't be that wrong either
Sure. I think I do too - but imagine if that is all you gave to someone, no matter what they are talking about :D
But if they are doing it for the vote, I don't think they are learning much. Just dropping a comment and hoping.
A problem for society?
We could just sit and stare at each other.
My best case scenario does operate on they are encouraged to continue and are hopefully reading the other comments and seeing what gets the most engagement and then trying to do that. Before I almost completely stopped paying attention to Youtube and deviantART I had noticed a trend towards people just straight up "not bothering" with less popular accounts (including their alleged friends in some cases) and focusing attention on bigger/more popular accounts.
Probably about as much as it was when vehicles made post faster?
That works XD We would end up drawing or sewing or something and then I'd have to apologise profusely for rambling, apparently Eldest and I are sharks and can only think properly when moving.
Sometimes I like to make a dumb ass comment :) Just like this one :) But usually I try to add something to the discussion. It becomes boring and not like social media if I would try to tailor my comments to the post subject all the time. But your upvotes are always appreciated even if Hive is not doing well. Accumulating HP is kind of a game in itself :) Hoping to post something new today on curation stats, I have been playing around with HAF database and visualizations of the data...
And they are appreciated. A dumb comment from you is gold compared to some of the dumb I get. :D
Yeah it is. And if it ever sees some significant gain, those who accumiulated will be happy. If it doesn't.... :D
How are you finding HAF?
I like it, though I need to learn a bit more about the structure, it took me longer than I thought to write those queries...
But the data in it is a goldmine!
Look how much the APR on the actively curating whales differs:
That is quite a difference! Xeldal gets DV'd I think :D
Social rules are very different online than they are in the flesh, especially in 'places' where currency is involved. When one starts out on hive, earning is almost impossible. Your normal upvote on a comment is often more than a newbie can earn on a post that took them hours to produce. I sure could have used you back in my early days here, and could very well have left generic comments just to see what would happen. I'm sure I would have come to relish the conversations, and the thoughts your posts generate, in short order, though. I get no kicks out of verbal diarrhea, as a rule.
Those who are younger, at least in the states, have been indoctrinated to regurgitate what they have been taught, not to think about it much, in order to get a grade. In both cases, there is an immediate reward. These are trained responses.
This brings to mind a comment left on a friend's post that mimicked one I had left;, my comment was something like "I love that about you," While I got the account's usual upvote on comments, the other similar comment got a punishing remark and a downvote. The poor person started literally begging for understanding. He asked me to get involved! Talk about pathetic.
It definitely makes a difference early on when people support, but it isn't easy. It is also worse when people are only willing to comment on those who have stake. They want support for their country, but don't support anyone from their country.
You are right about the regurgitation, and the internet has made it significantly worse. Everything is a share of something else - very little original thought in the process required.
People don't seem to realise that relationships are built here too. Perhaps it is because on other media similar, everyone is a stranger at all times.
Who cares. Give me an f-ing vote damnit!
Seriously, I try. Struggle to find the right words sometimes. Online and in person there are two modes for me. Rarely talk and just consume. Or never shut up. It depends on my mood. I am also not a prolific writer either. So my comments may seem short and trivial. Either way...
Give me the vote!
Or level of alcohol in the system? ;D
That has an impact too :-)
You see skills and experience gives value. It is wht industries and economies pay for. Value allows others to evolve, it's a recursive feedback taraz, something as old as hunan civilization and beyond. Here st hive we're just building tht next layer for it via the communities and tokens...
I eish more people would build their skills on Hive and through Hive - there is a lot to do!
I agree to basically we function as a new kind of knowledge layer for people accross the world. Perhaps a new kind of institution...
Power polecomment, extend!I think that I am lucky in a weird way- My stake is still quite small(at least in comparison to yours) so perhaps I get less comments like that. Or so I hope. But then again some people who seemed sincere to me turned out to be scammers so I guess I believe what I want to believe.
Sincerity is hard to come by when there is only anonymity.
That's why if I don't have anything interesting to say, I just read and vote posts. I don't think every post requires a response. Haha.
That is true too :)
On other side, these shallow/shit comments are boring generic phrases on Hive add absolute zero value to our real human interactions. Yeah, it is completely annoying when users only want an upvote instead of sharing their actual life experiences with other community members.
There should not be a place for those lazy accounts, they dnot even allow themselves to build a loyal audience because they prefer small block rewards over building real lasting relationships online. If they want to build their house here, they are welcome, if they are here just for money they should go somewhere else...
The older individuals (because I have not seen any new user yet) bring much more genuine substance to discussions while younger people struggle to commit for very long.
Cutting off these boring interactions is a smart move because rewarding uninteresting behavior just feels like speaking directly to a wall. This should be important to protect our precious time for great authors who genuinely care about exchanging meaningful opinions and sharing valuable life lessons.
I don't mean Hive older, I mean older in age. Those who get the most engagement, are pretty old people ;´:D
i've seen many posts that don't have any comments underneath
someone like you who writes a text expects to get feedback
some people like me may not have english as their native language and use translators that make them sound like machines
but i think every comment even artificial intelligence is an attempt to communicate
of course your opinion even if you don't like it is also respected
I don't expect to get feedback. I get feedback because I have built a following and relationships over almost a decade. It makes a difference. And I know lots of non-native speakers who are writing and commenting and even using translators, but they don't sound like robots. The thing is, there is personal experience, and then there is stolen words.
This article takes an in-depth look at the problem of superficial comments and how they affect genuine online conversations. I particularly appreciated the idea that the true value of interaction doesn’t depend solely on “votes” or rewards, but on what each person brings to the discussion—their experience, perspective, and personal insights. For my part, I’ve also noticed that the best conversations come from people who truly understand the subject and aren’t just looking for an immediate reward. This builds lasting and meaningful relationships, rather than just a quick exchange on the blockchain. Thank you very much for this thoughtful reflection and for encouraging genuine dialogue.
This is exactly the kind of comment I am talking about. Have you used an AI to summarise?
This text is based on my personal experience and my original . DeepL was used for grammatical corrections and to support the translation process.
This text was originally written in my native language, Somali, and is based on my own ideas and personal experiences. I used DeepL solely to help me translate it into English and to improve the grammar and clarity of the text
I think being genuine in our converstaions helps build true relationships, and it is these bonds that really make our lives better.
Thanks