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RE: Retention of Brand New Users on Hive

in Hive Statistics3 years ago

it is all manual so I can check each case

This is what I do as well. If I delegate any HP to someone, it's only just long enough so that the other user can get their introduceyourself post up, setup their blog page with images and descrip, etc. If it needs to be renewed, then I take the responsibility to renew it myself.

I would never give my HP to someone permanently.

That's like voting for a politician and over time he just gets more and more votes gaining insane power, making it virtually impossible to break up his monopoly. I know people can be lazy and irresponsible, therefore we now know:

A) The Hive "set it and forget it" model has proven to be very destructive.

Life moves in cycles and INDIVIDUAL votes are what garners better content on the platform. Actual value, as determined by individual people. Democracies (mob rule) have never worked out in history, ever. They always lead to socialism, then communism, then despotism (terms vary).

B) Upvote/downvote HP delegations must DECAY to 0 HP by 8 days. If 8 days is not long enough, then renew your HP delegations like I do, or get some HIVE into that account and Power it up.

Q: What does the INDIVIDUAL think about that free-electricity post? NOT the mob. Mobs lead to chaos and that's what Hive has right now.

If anyone reading this delegates their power to someone who participates in these dv wars, I encourage you to take your power back. Put that HP back into your own wallet and earn 2.92% interest on it at the same time.

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Perhaps the answer would be to tie a comment to every up or down vote. Make it not possible to vote on content without a comment as to why. This would automatically kill the auto voters.
Me personally I would much rather get one comment with 0 votes. At least its an attempt. At least that would let me know someone actually consumed the content rather than they farmed the currency aspect of it.

That's exactly what I've asked for on numerous occasions. Personally I can't see any downsides to it. Everyone bangs on and on about engagement and commenting. Forcing people to comment if they want the pleasure of voting must surely open the way for conversation? Obviously, I'm thinking more of the DV; imagine if folk had to say why? I'm sure a lot of the weenies would stop copycat DV'ing. HW doesn't give a specific reason; it's a general notification, a bit like the hated Twitter 'violation' bans; you have to go and work hard to find out why the Hive Police singled an account out, and that's if you know how! I've just checked again, and HW STILL does not have an FAQ or Abuse guide https://hivewatchers.com/ and yet feels it has the mandate to punish. At least your country's police force has the common courtesy to give you an explanation when that penalty notices drops on your doormat.

Now before anyone says: "You're just bitter, Pete, because of what happened the other day." you really don't know me at all. I believe in Transparency, Accountability, User Experience and, yes, Protection from Abuse. I take it that it is only me that finds it totally insane that many Hive communities have Code of Conducts, and yet Hive itself doe not have one, and even if it did, there's nobody to enforce it unless of course you somehow found a way to earn HBD for no effort. Oh, then they can enforce it, alright!

Seems to me communities on Hive are successful, and yet Hive itself is not successful. Why? Because communities have people you can go to, people who are out in the open, and people who can be held accountable for their actions. People say, "Nobody controls Hive. The users do." That's an absolute lie! First, we have the Devs; they are actually the ones in control because they control the code. Do you honestly think the vast majority of Hive users understand coding or what a piece of code says or does? Of course, they don't, so when they vote, they agree to it because they believe it's the right thing to do and believe they can trust the devs. There is a second tier of control, and these are the wealthy accounts. Please don't delude yourselves that "They're all really nice people." they're not; the law of averages says they're not. And I know of two witnesses that are utter shits imo.

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You nailed it again much more eloquently through words than I could have. I would've used a lot more "street language", lol.
I see nothing wrong with code of conduct's. They actually make sense and are typically a great way to maintain peace and civility.
Forcing a comment on voting is a very happy compromise in my eyes. Especially for the dv's. Without meaningful engagement the voting process is nothing more than mining for rewards and makes Hive look like a money laundering scheme that the rest of the outside world will see as BS. We are already fighting a huge battle against the crypto bros who has tainted the terminology for the rest of the world. NFT's, Web3 and even decentralized are all words that the outside populace equate with scam, scammer, shysters and snake oil salesmen. It's utter bull shit but we have to deal with all of this at the same time.
If I had my way I would strip the whole currency aspect from Hive. Freedom does not correlate to a currency. And having more money than someone else does not mean your are any more Free or have any more power over anybody else.
If we cant take the money out of voting then at least force engagement and make people explain why. Call it a receipt system if you want and even put it in an encrypted memo if you want to be able to remain private with the comments. But as long as a vote is a transaction there should be a receipt with a reason why.

That's a good idea, a bit of a bolt-on imo tho and it might get gamed by ai bots too.

How? Bots can sign up for a Hive account and then leave comments just to get an upvote?

If we afraid of AI bots then shut the fucking internet down. Unplug everything.

Thats prolly the best action anyways. People might have to go out touch grass, feel sunshine on their face and talk to other people face to face.

Bots can sign up for a Hive account and then leave comments just to get an upvote?

Yes.

Then thats a problem with the sign up process.

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No not GRASS!! hehe :) #grounding #earthing

Those ai bots are gettin serious. Best to not even open the door for them imo. Some things need to remain controllable by individual human values and contributions. No more mobs.

Agreed!

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You'd have to persuade the witnesses to vote for this. I don't see it changing any time soon or the fact that many people automate their votes. For some it's about earning rather than engaging. The platform doesn't really care. We can still have these conversations though.

I also delegate to some small accounts to get them going. The early days can be frustrating and we need to help them out.

Correct.

  1. INDIVIDUALS = DE-centralisation
  2. Mob rule (democracy) = Centralisation

As stated: "Upvote/downvote HP delegations must DECAY to 0 HP by 8 days".

Once we take our Hive Power (HP) back, we dissolve the power of the powerful. 💪

First, take a look at who you're voting for:

Then, take a look at who you are still delegating your Hive Power to:

Are you giving your Power to bad people? Or good people?