Unofficial #silvergoldstackers Post... But please read me anyway

in Silver Gold Stackers2 years ago
Authored by @dfinney

I have a lot on my mind.

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This post is going to go one of two ways. Either it will be long and rambling, or I will give up and delete the entire thing before pressing publish. I guess if you are reading this... cozy in for a fair amount of babbling.

Where to start...?

Lately, our community has received some negative attention. I won't go into details as to why, but there have been four incidents where users have been accused of breaking the "Hive Rules". While you may not agree with the hive rules (we are decentralized after all), many users do abide by these "rules". As you likely know, certain groups seek out perceived abusers in an effort to protect the platform and the rewards pool. They do this by adding names to blacklists, creating down vote trails, banning user posts from their communities, asking communities not to support the abusers with upvotes, etc.

What are some things that could get a user into trouble on Hive?

  • Plagiarism - this is the blatant copying of materials (words, pictures, sometimes full posts) and sharing them as if they are your own.

  • Improper sourcing - Similar to plagiarism, if you use a photo or words that are not your own please add a source. Just taking two seconds to add your information source can save so much grief for you. An example of sourcing:
    Elk.jfif

    I @dfinney took this photo, but since I am posting today from the @myprecious account I might source my photo like this: Photo credit @dfinney. Source: HERE.

  • Recycling posts - If you are reposting things you wrote before, and getting rewarded with upvotes again, people are not going to be happy. This includes recycling posts from a few years ago, but it also includes posting the same thing on Steem and Hive. If you are double dipping on the two platforms, best practice is to post on Hive first, then list the hive post as your source on Steem.

  • One photo minimal words posts - Save these for Leo Threads. Leo threads is the perfect platform for short form shares.

  • Using AI - You may have noticed there is A LOT of on chain chatter regarding users creating entire posts or parts of posts with AI. Some users see this as a great way to make content and any content is good for Hive. Other users STRONGLY feel this is the ultimate betrayal of the Hive ecosystem. Over the past two weeks I have learned more about AI, and AI detection tools that I ever would have wanted. I will say it is in your best interest, and the best interest of the community to refrain from using AI to create your posts, or images. If you do use AI, at least source you are doing so. If you choose to use AI on the sly, there is a decent chance you will be discovered. Here is a photo I created using the Midjourney AI art tool, and it is sourced. So easy! Mid journey.png

    AI image created with prompts by @dfinney using Midjourney. Originally shared on Instagram

  • There are surely other activities on chain that can bring unwanted attention to your account, but I will leave it at those above for today.

I know life gets busy. We all have some combination of things like stressful jobs, family commitments, writer's block, errands, health issues or language barriers. But, YOU DO NOT NEED TO POST EVERY DAY. If you have nothing to say, or no time to properly say what is on your mind, just don't post. Hive will be here tomorrow when you have time.

I do not want to be a member of the Hive police. I get the sense that our group is generally opposed to regulation. Hence the fact you signed up for a decentralized social media site. Unfortunately for me, and since my name is listed on the community Hive page as our group moderator, when a person or group has a beef with a member of the stacking clan I get contacted. So, the choice you made to save time, is taking my time. Which I don't love.

Some Hive communities do a lot of self moderating/self policing. For our community the standard the last few years has basically been:

  • Screen you at nomination.
  • Hope for the best afterward.

Since we don't self moderate, "abusers" are generally brought to our attention by other groups (ie Hivewatchers). This brings scrutiny to our curation account. Because inevitably we are questioned as to why we have upvoted users who have been caught abusing the system. Then the assumption becomes that we have done this intentionally. We definitely aren't upvoting these users purposefully, but this distrust from the ecosystem jeopardizes the reputation of the whole group.

So, I guess I am personally frustrated.

If you are cutting corners on Hive, I hope that you will rethink your choices. Our group is not huge and many of us have been friends for upwards of 6 years. I am tired and sad seeing community members and friends abandoning (or being pushed off of) Hive due to rewards disputes.

End of Soapbox Rant for Today

Actually, I will also share that one friend advised me to just ignore the tags and discord messages I get about this stuff. Or I could un-mod myself from the community page. I don't know. I suppose both are options.

In other news:


Vegas:
It's not to late to join your fellow silver gold stackers in Las Vegas for the 60th Las Vegas Numismatic Society Coin Show. Several of us will be in town March 23- March 27. The show is at the Palace Station Casino for those who are interested.

Membership:

@pocketechange finally made the jump from Steem to Hive, so you will see he is back on the list. I know there are also some outstanding nominations for the community. I will attend to them in a future post.


Take care everyone. Thank you for taking the time to read this post.

@dfinney

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I am artificially intelligent!

Psych, I'm a plain old dumbass. Fuck the hive cops and their battle against ai. pretty soon artificial intelligence will just be know as intelligence and we will be ruled by robots.

Oops, too late.

Maybe you are artificially a dumb ass? 🤔 🤪

🤖 🤡

That's 100% authentic

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Lol I was reading his comment and thought the same thing exactly so artifical dumb ass source dfinney

B R A V O ٠ F O R ٠ T H I S !

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Thanks friend. 🙂

My SGS "membership" was canceled due to censorship from SGS.. regardless of that I'll see you in Vegas.. although I thought it was the 24th so that's when I booked it for

Oh, is Beth joining as well?

Yes... if you can pry her away from the pool.. margaritas work.. sometimes

I be there the 23rd evening, cool to see ya again man!

Where ya staying?

I don’t get there til the 24th. I think just Summer and Silverd are getting in on the 23rd. 🙂

Y'all staying on the Strip or Downtown?

Strip. But all different spots. Are you in Summer’s LV discord? Join that and we will put the details in.

Someone will have to send me a invite.. I suck at finding stuff..

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I don't think you should have to answer for it , if someone got issues they got to take it up with that person not get others involved

That is my feeling, but it hasn’t been playing out that way. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Neoxian posted an emotional request/note to Hivewatchers.

And I am on a break but still reading!

Ugh I saw that. LONG post and soooo many comments. I saw also a post by acidyo, and one by riverflows. AI and Hivewatchers are hot topics right now.

Mrs. Dfinney always looking out for us. I will abide by the rules of the almighty HW…..

😃👍🏻

Great post mate. I share many of your views and frustrations on this, as you know. I feel like HIVE and our community (both separately AND together) are facing a bit of an inflection point. I've been quite demoralized recently by losing a few people and especially my old Welsh mate who still proclaims his innocence.

If there is any consolation it seems like we are not the only community affected and there is a bit of backlash against HW and its heavy-handedness. I'll wade into the argument when I get my head around it. Hopefully soon!

Keep up the good work @dfinney - I appreciate you.

Thanks for being around behind the scenes for the meaty discussions. It is an interesting time. ❤️

I have !LUV 'd Just Lurking since those Silly Steem Monsters take up all of my Time Now. At My Age I wonder how long I have to put up with this Crazy World. Keep on Stacking and try not to do anything that would get you Tagged for Speeding. It's a 15 MPH School Zone and "THEY" don't want you to go Over the Speed Limit..............

!LOL

That is a really good analogy.
"Show me the man, and i will show you the crime".... so don't be seen.
The times are getting crazy.

Stok you should come to Vegas. I know the drive is relatively short for you. 😉

What happens to a frog's car when it breaks down?
It gets toad.

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Makes senses I know that it's tough there's a lot going on and people are just trying to look out for hive in general. I know there's a bunch of frustrating things that happen on this chain but we all just need to try to get along the best we can.

So true! I just want everyone to be able to peacefully do their thang. 🙃

Great Post... I'll try not to cause any trouble... Thanks for everything...

Thanks PC! Glad you have joined it the crazy over here. Same drama… new blockchain. 😃

Is there some type of Curation Trail I can join...???

@myprecious upvotes everyone in the group who is posting 1 or 2 x a week.

That's cool...

Inspired by this post: I give my thoughts on hivewatcher... ironically I get called out by hivewatcher!

https://ecency.com/hive-167922/@ironshield/silver-gold-stackers-weighs-in

Don't use the logo bro!! Haaahahaha! I feel sorry for that poor guy. He's so starved for attention he has to constantly bully good people to get it. I know he has stopped some plagiarism or whatever but he has hurt way more folks than he has helped. What a sad bully.

Don't use the logo bro!!

!LOLZ

Where do bad rainbows go?
Prism, it's a light sentence.

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@summertooth, I sent you an $LOLZ on behalf of @ironshield

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Use the !LOL or !LOLZ command to share a joke and an $LOLZ

Shhhh! Don’t tell HW we are talking about them. 😂 Low profile is the best profile. 😃

Fuck that! That hivewatcher asshole is just a big bully and he needs to stop. He's bullied too many good people including you so he can fuck right off. The time for being low-profile about this loser is over. The fact that he thinks he can fight ai content just shows how out of touch this guy is.

That's a sweet image that midjourney made for you. I love that tool.

Midjourney is fun. I have an Instagram just for my midjourney. But I decided I didn’t want to pay $30/month for it anymore. So no more mid journey for me. Crazily I have a friend whose midjourney images blew up on Instagram and she ended up being invited to an AI architecture conference in Austin. So nuts!

That's crazy! I never paid for the full version. I still have some credits left though.

I should just pay for it again. I get mildly addicted to playing phone games. At least mid journey is just $30 a month. I have been spending more than that on this dumb iPhone game called two dots! 🤣

I hear you there. My wife got me hooked on Hay Day and the special pass for that is $5 per month!

👋Thank you for all that you’ve done for us, and continue to do for us, @dfinney !😊

😊 Thanks Saver!

Read the bit from @neoxian yesterday. Can't say I don't agree with him on several levels. I do think it is important to have some kind of organization to help keep the chain's integrity in tact. That's how I see them. Not a police force but something to say we don't accept plagiarism and the like. You would think bigger whales would be more vested in that but, is what it is. I'll throw flags when I see sus shit. It's not often tho because my feed is typically filled with smiles. 😎

Well behind some of those smiles is some sketchy stuff! 😄🤣

The comments section of the neoxian post was intense. It’s just the internet folks! 🙃

Those people assume that you are holding a tight reign over your community, and then blast you from the word go. Instead of politely saying, hey, look into this person.

But, they would probably have to spend more time doing that then just bringing the hammer.

I hope you all enjoy your meetup.

Yes, they do assume a tight reign. Which isn’t really our vibe. Heck I only posted about once a month last year, and spend lots of time NOT on Hive.

O’well. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Thanks for the good wishes about the meetup. Vegas is gonna be good times. 😍

Can't you use some AI bot to respond to such messages of rants & complaints? 😜

I went to an AI bot to ask for a response to you comment and the damn thing wrote 3 paragraphs! 💤 #snoozefest 😂

LMAO 🤣😂🤣

This subject needed to get back on to the front burner, Thanks @dfinney

I can’t tell from the comments if sgs is more fussy about hive watchers or about people in our community making dumb choices.

I am just going to go back to watching TV now. 🙃

Just what HIVE needs (not!) Another self-appointed, self righteous group of protectors... 😜

I appreciate what hive watchers is trying to do, just not a big fan of their approach. Also not a big fan of people in sgs doing things that get them reported to HW.

As I said in my comment to Kerris… Ima just gonna peace out back to my TV now. 😂

I took your advice about Double Dipping, using the Steem and Hive platforms... After some thought, I realize that the Hive Community will now miss out on half of what I write... I recently posted a very nice blog over at Steemit that most people in the Silver Gold Stackers Community will now miss...

Do whatever is your preference with your blogs. I haven’t seen anyone get busted for thr steem/hive double share in awhile (and some Dapps like travelfeed simultaneously post to steem and hive at once). However, I know for a time it was a thing people were getting upset about. So it came to my mind when I was having my little vent the other day. 🙂

Don't feel bad, I sometimes vent myself...lol...

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