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RE: Hardfork 24 update: testnets and hivemind progress

in HiveDevs4 years ago

Can we have a 'poll the community' proposal that costs on the order of 1hbd?
Maybe with both up and down votes counted within the same proposal?
Downvotes to give the apathetic one less reason not to vote.
Counting the votes by each, and not weight, to gauge popularity within the community?
Weight could be shown as normal.

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The HBD idea is interesting, but it's still just as game-able by sybil attacks, assuming the voter is willing to fund his sockpuppet accounts for their votes. And that probably leads to a worse voting system, since it seems more likely to me that voters who are paying to vote with sockpuppets would be more likely to do so in order to generate a personal return.

For DHF expenditures, I think it makes sense that the votes are stake-weighted, since the more stake you have, the more you have to win or lose based on the results, and stakeholders are in some sense "funding" everything else by being willing to hold Hive tokens instead of selling them, which drives their value.

Despite that, I don't think stake-weighted decision-making has to be the "only-game-in-town" on Hive. The second layer reputation app I plan to create, for example, will be totally divorced from stake-weighted voting. The only connection to the first layer in this app will be for resource credits to create transactions.

I was aiming more for a proposal cost of 1hbd to poll the community.

Stake weighted voting is the game we are playing here, that makes sense, to me, in a governance situation.
Presuming the stake doesn't act against its own best interests.

I was just wanting the ui to show the number of up/down votes on the proposal to easier gauge community support, the stake weighted portion could remain the same.

Perhaps the proposal feature isn't the best venue, but neither have the apps filled the role due to nobody seeing them, and most of us not wanting one more app to keep up with.

Maybe a poll feature should be added to the drop down menu where proposals are now?
This lets everybody see them, if they look.
At 1hbd to create a poll, it can provide additional revenue to the dao.

If we paid dpoll for their code and merged it to condenser, presuming its compatibility, it might help with their bent feelers at us taking over their thing?

Ah, I see. Yes, it would be quite trivial for the front end UIs to also show vote counts as well as vote stakes. The only downside I can see to that is that it would of course be subject to sybil voting, if someone wanted to distort the data. But I don't see that as a problem to worry about.

I guess the other part of your idea is to lower the cost, but I'm not sure it's necessary, as I guess most people who want to get people's attention for a poll about the chain don't mind spending 10 HBD that much. If they do, dpoll is certainly another option for them.

as I guess most people who want to get people's attention for a poll about the chain don't mind spending 10 HBD that much.

Lol, at least not the ones making 20hbd a post.
Those that have to make 20 posts to get that much might disagree, but likely they haven't been here long enough to get over the learning curve, anyway.

Thanks for your indulgence, and keeping us alive after we got kneecapped by ned.