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RE: Unlocking Hive's potential for social media - pre-announement of DeepHive

in HiveDevs2 years ago

I always thought it would be great to track post-view-count on the RPCs ends... possibly even generate an evergreen reward mechanism for that... it's probably awfully easy to cheat the system and maybe it would require a fundamentally different architecture... but yeah... just throwing that thought into the conversation.

I like where you're going with this!!

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Yeah, while it would be nice to be able to tie the reward mechanism to views, this could really be gamed way too easy. Counting views on a frontend can be secured better, and while it doesn't help the authors of evergreen content to get more rewards, maybe we could run an ad model later where creators and consumers get a share.

If content selection would work very well, it could be implemented in one front end first ( centralized control) and selling ad space with some rewards to authors.

I think the front end that solves this, could be a billion $ one. The reason is people would share content more and earnings are not caped. So it would be possible to earn massive like on youtube ( in theory).

Not a solution for hive in total, but something that could be built on hive.

But I expect, if there is a success we see no additional onboarding and mass cannibalism from other sites, that copy and paste and take all rewards or something like that.

Between you and me, people are really lazy, they want to stare at a screen that keeps moving posts in front of them. There's no such DApp yet, nowhere, but Apps do that. Maybe it'll be possible after the HAF release. But don’t tell anyone, this opinion might shine a bad light on me. Btw, I‘d also like to have a possibility for encrypted comments, that should be relatively easy to implement.

i had a short talk via comments with smooth.

I would love to have anon HBD/ Anon hive tokens.

Think about anon stable coin. HOLY shit.

Encrypted comments and so on. That would be huge! and really a stand allone.

Yeah and we can do that via the MEMO Key system. Anon stable coin - that would be a category on p***hub.

run an ad model later where creators and consumers get a share

i hear you! that's a good idea! actually, in all honesty, if a centralized frontend provider runs ads on decentralized user content, distributing the shares accordingly should be a given?!

I remember back in the day steemit.com used to provide a public view-counter. I was quite disappointed when they took that off... it was at least kind of interesting to see those posts with barely any views and massive rewards.

We're going a bit off topic, though... back to your original concept, datamining content topics and user browsing habits to provide a custom recommendation feed to find interesting authors and posts would greatly help user retention. Content discovery in the frontends as is takes real effort and time... which is why I have always been a lousy "curator"

The issue is, how would that data mining be paid, by whom? And would it push certain content over others to be the biggest paid on hive?

How would it handle people dv content because yes?

Because people sometimes dv content for no good reason, just because they dont like certain content...

The dv adds another layer of difficulty to the machine learning in data mining. In my opinion :S

People also upvote for no good reason. This post has >200 upvotes after an hour. How many do you think read it?

Both up- and downvotes are only useful data points when connected with others like reading time.

Financing might become an issue, at some point we'll probably have to tap in the dhf and explore further possibilities for monetization.

If you create a DHF, maybe do a crowdfunding as well and offer Badges / limited NFTs as rewards. We're in a bearish market, I'd rather spend FIAT than crypto.

How could the data miner handle the trails? 540 votes but like 3 people reading... That would cause at least some issues with it. And would comments influence?

This has to be explored, tested and evaluated. These types of algorithms aren't static once implemented, they need constant fine tuning.

Good point, but curation trails could push things a bit, an example of it are ranchorelaxo votes that would already place any post in trending no matter what. If we were to add an algorithm to that, it would be a disaster.

DHF is not such a good idea, to a point the fund is already overloaded, yeah technically it can hold more... but eventually it could not.

And a curation project would never have enough profits to keep it going, isn't it?

I don't know about other curation projects, but curangel doesn't make profits at all. For now I'll be able to cover the expenses and (slow) development through the witness. If I drop out, price drops a lot more, or we get to a point where we need a lot more manpower, we'll have to see.

The dhf has a lot of room for more projects, provided it's regarded as more important than the HBD stabilizer.

Most of them don't, because they return to the delegations, that is the issue mostly :S if that approach were to be made, it would have to be funded initially by someone, and it would just keep going with the growth of the voting power, that is why it has never been done before. I have told that before xD and be answered that. So far is a solid argument, but i will keep trying saying that solution xD eventually, some day, it could be possible.

Well, if you take the cost of your work at a low cost and program most of it basically on your own, it would take a lot of time but at least it would make it cheaper on the dhf, and less difficult to get funded.