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in Proof of Brain2 years ago (edited)

I'm not going to argue about this.

A reddit downvote makes a comment or post lose visibility. I've bee. downvoted on reddit a d my comments get pushed down and eventually enough causes them to be hidden, same with posts. So yeah, downvotes suppress content on reddit.

You're factually wrong on the definition of censorship and it's your duty to admit you are wrong, if you are interested in the truth that is.

https://www.aclu.org/other/what-censorship

Again, censorship does NOT mean deleted, it DOES mean suppression.

Censorship, the suppression of words, images, or ideas that are "offensive," happens whenever some people succeed in imposing their personal political or moral values on others.

Downvoting something IS suppressing it.

I dont understand how people cant just accept that this is what censorship means. Why dont you just admit you were mistaken when presented with the evidence? You're just wrong, and arguing with me that you're not let's others see you dont think words have meaning i guess? So you're arguing with what all dictionaries say? Is it an ego thing?

Idk what else to say man.

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Fist, you say downvoting is suppression of speech. I don't think you can really support that assertion. Then, you leap from downvoting being suppression to suppression being censorship. I don't think you can really support that, either.

I downvote a lot of copy/pasted porn spam from a handful of users. I can't prevent them from posting it. I can't prevent anyone from tipping their posts our counter-voting my downvotes. Even if their reputations fall below 0, the content is still there. Further, HIVE isn't the only platform for speech.

Steemit is still around, but there, we faced actual censorship as blocks were altered and the frontend blocked access to content Sun didn't like. That kind of real suppression doesn't happen here. We want our blockchain to be immutable.

Blurt is experimenting with a downvote-free system. We'll see if it works better. HIVE was built the way it works intentionally. Maybe it isn't the best option in the long run. We'll see. But claiming it is "censorship" when you dislike how it works isn't really an argument.

I don't know much about LBRY, but they do have another system entirely separate from ours. Maybe it's better.

My point is:

  1. Your content is still yours regardless of votes and reputation. No one can delete it.
  2. Frontends offer myriad ways to access the chain, no matter what happens to your reputation or the votes content receives.
  3. Different chains allow us to find what really works best.
  4. Your conflation of downvotes with suppression is unsupported
  5. None of the points above negate the reality of downvote abuse, which I do find distasteful, even though I object to hyperbolic claims of censorship.

Fist, you say downvoting is suppression of speech. I don't think you can really support that assertion. Then, you leap from downvoting being suppression to suppression being censorship. I don't think you can really support that, either.

The dictionary definition of censorship is suppression. I'm sorry that you dont like that fact, you can go do a quick search and check out the top 10 results for "define censorship" and you will see it says suppression.

Upvoting a comment or post gets it more views, it promotes it.

Downvoting it gets it less views, to downvote something is to censor it(suppression).

I agree with downvoting(censoring)spam plagiarism and content calling for direct violence.

Please do not continue to reply that censorship and suppression are different, if you say that back to me again after I showed you proof, then I know I'm dealing with someone who is trying to gas light me.

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