The Krampus Coefficient (KE) is NOT just a ratio. Go read Azircon the Cabal Lord, and how that mind works, and understand: Krampus is a mythical demon that beats and eats children to scare others into compliance -- and Azircon and Galen backed an account called Plonkety Piano to mock and terrorize people they were using KE score to find without any regard to the lives of the people. That stopped because some whales understood the danger of the reputation of the WHOLE CHAIN was at risk and stuffed it -- but go look up Plonkety Piano and its imagery and behavior on your own time. The cruelty of Krampus IS THE POINT, and this has already been demonstrated -- and on a chain when MANY users are the descendants of the survivors of colonialism and enslavement, that is not the kind of imagery that we need if we want to keep this chain vibrant -- no reminders of European beating and consuming the people of the world are going to be helpful when it is so many people of the world that SURVIVED THAT who are getting Hive adopted and noticed for good. There are some legacies Hive should really avoid touching.
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Your comment and thoughts here have perfectly hit on a conundrum that keeps coming up with this whole discussion:
To this I would ask if you are aware of the ethnicities of the two users you mention above? We actually only see of users here what they choose to share on here, so it is risky to make accusations or assumptions.
The problem with this whole discussion is that we're trying to fix problems and the solutions are being based on assumptions of why people are doing what they are doing. As dlmmqb has already hinted, everyone can be both right and wrong in their reasoning and approaches. The witnesses are in the inenviable position of having to try and make changes in everyone's best interest and every system put in place can be abused.
The fact that Venezuela and Ghana are Hive's two biggest stories is a fact. What was done there by European colonists is big set of facts. The mythos of Krampus, and the control that myth is designed to put into children is also a fact -- and the analog to how European colonizers treated more than a third of the world is also a fact. Also a fact: the creator of the Krampus Coefficient is the type of person who has animations of murder against people who makes comments he doesn't like among his own comments... with the murderer smiling when the victim is dead. Sounds like Krampus and colonial behavior to me ... but go write "nice post" on one of his posts and find out sometimes... go look up Plonkety Piano that he backed up and how it behaved, and come back and tell me what you think.
I don't care what ethnicity anybody is, but I know the historical origins of certain evils. If you adopt those to try to get people to do what you want, there is a good chance you don't have a problem abusing people to get what you want. If you play with devilry, I'm likely to suspect you of devilish behavior, and I have seen enough. I say again: have a look at Plonkety Piano and what it was doing and THINK about what the ramifications there would have been and how Hive's reputation would have been attached to that with its LAST 138K active users according to Hive's five-year stats. Think to yourself: why did far bigger accounts than mine choose to STUFF THAT THING?
Don't mistake me, I'm not defending anyone or criticising you. Just attempting to point out that we rarely know anyone fully on here or their motives. They likely feel like they're doing the right thing, whether they are or not. It's certainly not how I would approach things and I appreciate you sharing your point of view.
That other account is plain peculiar, but we've encountered these sorts of things on Hive before, haven't we. I suspect we'll encounter them again as well. Do we become dicatators and shut them down or try to find ways to mitigate the damage?
I know what people choose to show me. That's the best I can do. As for being a dictator, I am a triple dolphin on Hive with a powerful voice in real life, and an equally memorable communication style in print. I'm a professional. In my home city, when the powers-who-think-they-be try to do things against the neediest, based on the same colonizing and enslaving playbook, they find out that I know that playbook and will show up and wrap them up in it. I am consistent everywhere. On my watch, no one will find me silent while they do a reign of terror on Hive based on demonic concepts against human beings who have the right to do what they wish with their own rewards. I already know what would have happened by now. I watched Plonkety Piano attack the account of someone who powered down to get resources to save someone else's life -- I already know what the plan was.
I am ONLY talking on Hive about these matters for now, because we are somewhere below 138K users. The lowest figure I have now heard is a mere 5,000 users. We do not need one more piece of bad press. We do not need one more person leaving here talking about being abused. Krampus is, AT BEST, a centuries-old European concept of abuse of human beings -- Europe's own children, before getting to Africa, Asia, and the Americas and their children. There is no way around that fact. Plonkety Piano is an image of abuse, and was used just for that. There is no way around that fact. I will not be silenced -- I am an Amazon best-selling crypto author, so I can talk much more widely than this. But I'm not doing that because I hope that Hive will choose not to adopt abusive imagery and practices on top of the problems we already have.
May I ask your thoughts on how Hive might deal with this then?
If you mean understanding how not to run off the last 140,000 users -- or last 5,000 users, and getting a grip on the selling, here are two things to consider:
The big accounts that drive inflation are HBD Stabilizer and the Decentralized Hive Fund (DHF) that we vote on to fund projects -- those funded sell to pay various workers. It is not even the little accounts that drive that -- see Dalz's data from July 2024.
If you want to know how people use their money, it is not hard to see if they have powered down more than they have powered up; they have a wallet, and in PeakD at least you can click to see just that information. Rough add what they've powered down to what they have left. I know from having done this that you have never powered down, and have been powering up fairly consistently since Aug. 8, 2017. That took thirty seconds to determine -- if I had stopped in February 2020 when Hive proper starts, it would have taken me ten seconds. I presume we are all adults and can add ... and so I already know that attaching Krampus to figure all this out is completely unnecessary. It ought to be worth thirty seconds of our time, and maybe another minute in "All Posts" to discover the circumstances of people's lives instead of beating and eating them into submission. Had Krampus and Plonkety Piano not been involved, I would not have said that part ... but here we are.
I'm asking everyone to put in 90 seconds of caring about their fellow community members, or at least about the fact that Hive cannot survive too far below the low figure of 5,000 users and will run the risk of ending up on the altcoin ash heap of history in the next bear if indeed the number is that low and we run any significant number of them off. More of us can participate in how the DHF is assigned, and we can look at HBD Stabilizer and if is fit to purpose. It is SO EASY to punch down on people from nations still trying to recover from having EVERYTHING extracted from them by people raised by Krampus ... but it is also the wrong thing to do in the same way that colonialism and genocide and enslavement and all the reigns of terrors that went with that are wrong, and on top of that will not even work. I'm asking us to consider who we are going to support by considering the people as actual people, not just "extractors" to be dehumanized as such, especially since no matter what we decide relative to a content creator, Hive is going to keep blowing money out the door until we address the bigger issues, and the only thing we can do relative to a content creator is send one more person out the door and Hive's visibility and reputation closer to a death spiral.
I am an ACTUAL crypto investor and author -- I am a model of the very person Hive needs to attract. I know how the other half thinks and invests. If the true number is down to 5K, we are already in HUGE trouble. Even if it is at the Hive Five figure of 138K, we are in trouble. We are not growing. We are dying. Krampus and Plonkety Piano are not the best advocates to save lives. Keep that in mind.
I fully agree with all you've said here. I don't really know much about the KE thing, but I assume some are actually using it. This is what I refer to as a form of dictatorship if it were to be actually implemented in the blockchain by the witnesses. I don't believe they would, however. Their ethos is decentralisation and that doesn't fit with it.
We can't force certain behaviours, only express them as desirable and demonstrate them, which I'd certainly encourage people to continue doing, even if they feel like it's not working, because it works more than we realise. The dilemma I've been pondering for some time now is if and how this positive kind of behaviour can also be profitable enough to encourage more to behave that way and increase the desirability of Hive in order to increase the price. Keeping HP staked is only one part of the equation, so while I get that this is what the KE thing is trying to address it misses everything else and could even undermine other aspects, such as the places who've made a use case for HBD (Venezuela's Hive Sucre for example). Not to mention it driving people away, which is obviously not good for increasing desirability of the coin.
It's hard to say what small accounts can do to help with Hive price. It's certainly in the best interest of those who need Hive to make an income to help keep it's value high, so if they could do something to help I'm sure they would. The carrot is always better than the stick in my opinon, so that's where I'm always going to put my focus. I have in the past written about other ways we can earn liquid Hive here while not powering down, although I realise sometimes people will need to power down.
Now I'm trying to remember, if we convert Hive to HBD in our wallets rather than purchasing it on an exchange, does that burn the Hive?
I powered down to leave Steem. 😉 Not something a lot of us would ever have imagined doing, but it's put to better use on Hive, so there is that.
If I was azircon, I would still smile looking at your comment although we might disagreed on it.
You are right and he is right too. That's life. Sometimes no one is wrong.
Thanks for showing another pov so people can make their own independent decisions.
You're welcome. Everybody gets to choose what legacy they want to be part of. I just am making sure the whole story is out here.