Hive morning chats: To downvote or not to downvote.

in Hive Learnerslast year (edited)

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As a "survivor" of the infamous flag wars. I can tell you, it's not as bad as people think. Downvotes are necessary too. But, I do want to get your feedback on this topic, because its part of understanding and forming platform culture.

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I've set a 10% Beneficiary to be paid out with @commentrewarder to the best comments on this subject. I know this is a touchy topic, but we need to be not afraid to demystify it. Props to @ecoinstant for making that word part of the common vocabulary.

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 last year  

Quien pasó por Reddit alguna vez, sabrá que los votos negativos suelen utilizarse mayormente de forma irracional, entonces aplicando un paralelismo, qué nos garantiza de que serán bien utilizados en Hive?

Ya ví ballenas cereando las recompensas de algunas personas de forma sistemática, cualquiera sea el tema que se tratase, entonces, podemos decir que es una buena herramienta?

Más aún cuando la consecuencia es en proporción al HP. Es decir, brinda total impunidad a los mayores tenedores de HP, dejando a los pequeños peces rojos, y hasta a las orcas, indefensas, en caso de utilizarse mal.

Para mí, la solución al voto negativo sería que el sistema obligue a fundamentar la razón del voto negativo.

Al final del día, el voto positivo es una herramienta más peligrosa, porque con ella es que se extraen los recursos de Hive, votando positivamente por valores de decenas de dólares a contenido que siendo honestos, no suelen ser la gran cosa.

Siendo un poco paranoica es como una especie de lavado de dinero, cuando se hace de forma sistemática: te voto cualquier porquería por 10 o 15 dólares pero tú me das la mitad.

Otra cosa que te diré, es que hasta ahora no has votado positivo a ninguna respuesta, porque de seguro será para alguien que piense igual que tú, no alguien que tenga la mejor respuesta.

PS: espero que no seas una 🐋 y espero no haberte molestado 😜

 last year  

Hola Lady, acabo de leer tu comentario. Me encanta que tengas la valentia de expresarte asi. te prometo te dare una respuesta elaborada pronto. (me llama la jefa).

Pero si te dire. A todos los que comentan en mis blogs les doy upvotes. mira bien, todos tienen centavitos. Y, en el caso de este, ganaran hive liquido usando commentrewarder. 10% de lo que el post haga se repartira a los comentaristas.

Ok, lueguito te escribo mi refutacion jajajaja

 last year  

Bueno, gracias, seguro hay muchas aristas más sobre el tema, pero bueno, esto es lo que estoy viendo a grandes rasgos. Saludos a la señora!

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Hello, Downvotes can be a tool of intimidation or censorship because let's be honest, people will stop doing things or giving their opinions in some subjects to avoid get targeted with a whale who only wants impose her point of view.

 last year  

Hey Yecier. Has that been your personal experience, or has it been something you've seen?

Both... I have seen it, and I have to say ok I don't agreed but I take the lose because if I stand my position I my effort in Hive can be wipe out.

 last year  

Bueno hermano, pero sigues aca. Ese es mi punto. Que si te dan un downvote no es el fin del mundo. Y entre elegir un sistema que no tiene downvotes y uno que si, el que no tiene termina muriendo.

Sí, está claro que ninguna herramienta es buena o mala per se, está en el uso que se le dé y coml comunidad combatimos o prevenimos ese mal uso.

 last year  

No se si esta expresion se usa en Cuba (creo que no). Curado de espanto.

Como que si ya te dieron tu downvote y resististe, como que ya tienes cayos y todo bien.

Tres golpes.

Despues, si el niño no se aprendio, esta "curado".

Jajja sí, sí existe.

!BBH

 last year  

I like the downvote philosophy you put out though I was laughing at the saying that we all need to experience a down vote and I go like no way. But like you said it looks like something that’s inevitable in the hiving experience. I also love the part where you described a good man as having power to use but deciding not to use it except when necessary. The subject of downvotes in my own little opinion is thats it’s obviously inevitable as a tool to keep the ecosystem sane against abuse but it should be used with discretion like you said. There could be a scenario where someone can decide to use it against a user whom they have a beef against or wants to proof a point. But outside this scenario, it would come in handy as a tool to sanitize the ecosystem like you said against abusers but that after they have been warned and they decide not to adhere. Talking of experience a down vote, I think it would be absurd and may call for those kind of reactions which of course you explained is not the end of the world or a death sentence if someone just got downvoted for doing nothing. I don’t know if it has happened to anyone but I don’t think I would be feeling good to wake up and see downvote on my posts when I don’t even know what I did to deserve it or haven’t been warned of any misgivings. I may not freak out and leave but if a sure not going to be a good experience if it happens without a cause. We should all be giving graces to learn and grow and in the absence of remorse and willingness to change in the face of constant abuse then there’s liberty to use the downvote power. It would only be effective if the person downvoting has enough power to do that though.

 last year  

Is there a chance someone might get downvoted for stupid reasons. Of course. But, its the rare cases. Most of the time the downvotes happen because someone believes they are guarding the chain.

I can't imagine you getting downvoted. You are being polite with everyone, you are putting in some work on your blog. I mean, you are doing things in a way that anyone can quickly assert is beneficial to the ecosystem.

But it could happen, that one day, you say something about a religion or maybe something political. That day, someone gets angry and decides to downvote you. Well, that's fine, you are going to be fine. Its impossible to be liked by everyone, this is a lesson we all have to learn.

When you accumulate enough hive power to give someone nice upvotes and ugly downvotes, keep that in mind. Use that power to do what is best for people. Most of the time it will be encouraging others, but in a very rare scenario, it will be you, using your hive power, to stop a bad actor.

 last year  

Yes sure
Well said
I’d keep that in mind
Thanks again 😁

Downvotes are awesome.

I have had everything on Hive downvoted to zero for 2 years now.

Everything gets zeroed out on Day 7. Absolutely no reason ever given. But it has been a blessing in disguise ….

The downvotes started when Hive hit $3 … nobody could tell me why I was being downvoted … so I started selling my 25,000 Hive power at $3 …. $75,000 usd at the time ….

I started buying Bitcoin at around $ 16,000 …

I also bought some PEPE in 2023 .

So … I have done ok.

I am very happy with the downvotes. I still have no idea why the 2-3 whales started Downvoting me. But I am glad they did .

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 last year  

sometimes life takes us in a different path. I had no idea you got ran off. I'm going to read where you tagged me.

It’s fine.

I have not run off ..

I’m still here.

Posting every day.

I refuse to be bullied.

The more someone tells me I can’t do something the more I want to do it. It has the opposite effect on me.

The more I get downvoted on Hive, the more I post.

At one point in May 2020 one Hive Whale told me I needed to sell all my Steem …

So I sold all my Steem and bought TRON … at .015 …. It’s now at .25 ..

I’m up 12,000 %

So. I’m not complaining …

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 last year  

Looks like you've made some good trades

I have been very lucky … but I also lost $4,000 with Cub on Leo Finance…

So I have also been unlucky.

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