You really should discuss the key access changes more. There are definitely accounts who don't have all keys who have no idea they will be locked out of wallet. It is silly anyone wouldn't just open new account when they don't have master key? Yes really foolish. But there are probably a few who have no idea if the key they'd been using since 2017 is even wallet key or a higher authority they'd worked until now. Foolish choice but kinda lame how badly this has been discussed and shared. Those people deserved 13 weeks to power down in worst case so they don't forever loose access. Nobody mentioned this key thing anywhere, only in this clip. It's gonna affect more people than u think. Regardless how dumb it was to not start over as soon as they learned system, they deserved more time. Oh well
That’s at least what it pretty clearly says in this clip. If I’m mistaken please let me know.
But that doesn't lock them out of their account.
What scenario you have in mind?
Just to clarify, Master Password is just a concept of a secret that keys are derived from.
From what I understand you are worried that someone is using owner key instead of active without even being aware of. In such scenario it will stop working because owner key is no longer allowed to be used to do the active key's job, but in such case user still can use the owner key to set a new active key.
If however, a user have lost his owner key, there's nothing that could help, and nothing that upcoming version changes in the situation.
No, I’m saying there’s many without master, but they’re been fine using lower keys yes there is. Giving him the info that this change was coming at least 13 weeks prior so he can power down. Again there’s now 4 accounts on discord effected by this. That tells me there’s more. They were incredibly foolish not starting over , but for 6 years lower keys worked for wallet and they’ve been fine functionally. This should have been the big headline but most people do not even know.
Again it’s on them for whatever dumb reason it they chose the inconvenience of starting over instead of how important it was to get a new account to have a master key, but I’m just saying knowing active daily accounts are out here who don’t but function wise they just use posting and some random higher key for years to move value, I just think this should have been better announced and I understand why people are pissed off.
You've misunderstood the change. This change cannot result in you losing funds or being unable to powerdown. I don't know what 4 accounts you're talking about, but they are just confused.
Than they misspoke in this clip, because word for word you can no longer use higher authority keys for other actions. That is what was said, again not a issue for me, but as dumb as it was there were accounts who don’t even understand there keys and are missing half of them , then they hear a week b4 this is changing. I’m with u that is beyond foolish! But just wish this wasn’t so confusing. They say in clip , now you say no not case?
Let me make sure I’m saying it right, and yes nobody’s saying this account was not incredibly foolish! - One guy doesn’t even know what key he’s been using for wallet, he just knows it works. He hears after fork higher authority keys will no longer work so he’s concerned, he’s also missing master key since 2018. Whatever is working now will still work? He wrote down wallet & posting, and has just never started over which he should have but anyway that’s the case I’m talking about.
PS- I appreciate the direct reply 👍
Much thanks!
There's no such thing as a "master key". Hive knows only about your owner key, active key, posting key and memo key. In some cases those were derived from a string that was called "Master Password", as it is a seed for those individual keys, but that's irrelevant to the change.
For example, before the change you could sign your upvote transaction with your active key, after HF28 goes live, you can't. If you've lost your posting key and no longer have it, you can still use your active key to change your posting key - problem solved.
If someone lost their owner key, well, then game over. They can still use other keys if they have it, but without owner key they are at risk of losing access to the acocunt. HF28 doesn't change anything in this matter.
still don’t understand why in the Hive fest video they said it then? But much appreciate you clearing that up! Yes I meant owner key not master key. Sorry for misspeaking, so even without owner key they should be fine using whatever key they have been that works for wallet, I understand 👍 thanks again! I know you get a lot of people reaching out and I appreciate u taking the time to reply. Cheers!! !PIZZA
I'm glad you are happy, and it's even OK to unapprove my witness by you ;-) (because active participation in Hive governance is really important, regardless of personal preferences), just please while you verify your witness list, at least stop voting for witnesses that don't even produce blocks, because, that actually is objectively hurting the network by increase in missing blocks.