Why the universe is most likely not infinite – Part 3: Infinity as a placeholder for ignorance

in STEMGeeks10 months ago (edited)

Unendlichkeit als Platzhalter für die Dinge, die wir (noch) nicht wissen.

Kürzlich habe ich im Internet nach der Haltbarkeit von Gin gesucht, und als Antwort spuckte die KI aus: unendlich, zumindest theoretisch.

Hochprozentiger Alkohol ist bei richtiger Lagerung lange haltbar, aber sicher nicht unendlich. Das wissen wir bereits. Alkohol verdunstet auch in einer verschlossenen Flasche und keine Flasche ist 100% dicht.

Manches gibt es wie Sand am Meer. Wie unendlich lästige Mücken in lauen Sommernächten.

Der Schuldenberg der USA (und EU) dürfte für viele unendlich (unvorstellbar) groß sein.

Bevor es die Big Bang-Theorie gegeben hat, ging man von einem statischen Universum aus, dass unveränderlich in der Zeit ist und vermutlich ewig existiert hat und existieren wird.

Früher dachten Menschen vermutlich, dass es auch die Erde, den Boden, den Wald, die Sonne unendlich gibt.

Würde es wirklich unendlich viele Sterne am Nachthimmel geben, müsste die Nacht dann nicht weiß erstrahlen?

Auch in der modernen Physik werden Wissenslücken oft mit Unendlichkeiten gefüllt. Zum Beispiel glaubt man an Singularitäten in Schwarzen Löchern oder beim Big Bang. Alle Materie soll auf unendlich kleinem Raum (einem Punkt?) konzentriert sein.

Mit diesen Annahmen hat man aber, wie im letzten Teil beschrieben, bereits den Boden der Wissenschaft verlassen und befindet sich in der Metaphysik.

Apropos Metaphysik. Manche Menschen glauben an das ewige (unendliche) Leben. Zumindest in einer anderen Dimension, bleiben aber vage, welche das sein soll.

Wenn etwas sehr lange besteht oder von etwas sehr viel vorhanden ist, neigen wir dazu, diesem Unendlichkeit zuzuschreiben.

Unendlichkeit als ungenaue und bequeme Default-Annahme, als Platzhalter für Unwissenheit, bis wir eine bessere Theorie gefunden haben.

Was sagt ihr dazu? Habt ihr schon einmal etwas subjektiv als unendlich wahrgenommen?

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Is the universe infinite or rather finite? AI-generated illustration (Stable Diffusion)

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Infinity as a placeholder for the things we don't know (yet).

I recently searched the Internet for the shelf life of gin, and the AI spat out the answer: infinite, at least in theory.

High-proof alcohol has a long shelf life if stored properly, but certainly not infinite. We already know that. Alcohol evaporates even in sealed bottles and no bottle is 100% tight.

Some things are a dime a dozen. Like endlessly annoying mosquitoes on balmy summer nights.

The debt mountain of the U.S. (and EU) might be infinitely (unimaginably) large for many.

Before there was the Big Bang theory, one assumed a static universe that is unchangeable in the time and probably exit eternally.

Earlier people probably thought that also the earth, the ground, the forest, the sun exists infinitely.

If there should be infinitely many stars in the night sky, wouldn't the night have to shine white then?

Also in modern physics knowledge gaps are often filled with infinities. For example one believes in singularities in black holes or with the Big Bang. All matter should be concentrated on infinitely small space (a point?).

With these assumptions, however, one has already left the ground of science, as described in the last part, and finds oneself in metaphysics.

Speaking of metaphysics. Some people believe in eternal (infinite) life. At least in another dimension, but remain vague, what that is exactly.

When something exists for a very long time or there is a lot of something, we tend to attribute infinity to it.

Infinity as an inaccurate and convenient default assumption, a placeholder for ignorance until we find a better theory.

What do you guys think? Have you ever perceived something subjectively as infinite?

Finite or infinite universe

Part 1: Definitions https://stemgeeks.net/hive-163521/@vikisecrets/why-the-universe-is-most-likely-not-infinite-part-1-definitions-reply-with-infinite-or-finite

Part 2: Scientific question or not? https://stemgeeks.net/hive-163521/@vikisecrets/why-the-universe-is-most-likely-not-infinite-part-2-scientific-question-or-not

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If we look for the similarity of the infinity of everything you mention in relation to the infinitesimal calculus, for example there are rational functions that when the variable X tends to a specific real number then its real image tends to infinity, however when applying limit we realize that its image is of real variable, However, in other occasions, not even applying the theory of limit we can find an image of real variable but rather that its image is equal to infinity, which leads me to conclude that in the universe and all its existence there are finite and infinite elements at the same time.

Limit with a variable going to infinity is a mathematical concept and doesn't necessarily mean that the infinity exist in the real world. I will explain this in an upcoming post in more detail.

I don't think things are infinite, at some point, things will spiral out of control due to different factors. I don't think we can control everything.

Is there a beginning and an end?

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The supposition of the infinite certainly keeps within itself the essence of the essence of ignorance, however this is a doubt about the infinite possibilities that a fact, phenomenon or thing has and that we have not yet discovered. In subjective terms if I could think of the infinite as a synonym of ignorance or ignorance but from the point of view of science I think it is very difficult for me to do so. It is very interesting your post and I will continue thinking about what you say.

Subjektiv gesehen nicht. Aber Unendlichkeit gebe ich Dir Recht wird oft in Zusammenhang bei Unwissenheit nenannt.

Zahlen sind unendlich, aber nur weil wir sie dazu machen.

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Ja, die Dummheit der Politiker (z.B. in D. Kernkraftwerke abschalten und dafür Atomstrom aus Frankreich teuer importieren; Gas aus Russland ist böse, aber das überteuerte Fracking-Gas aus den USA verdreckt das Wattenmeer durch Chloreinleitungen,...), aber inzwischen vermute ich, es ist gar nicht Dummheit, sondern Bösartigkeit, die scheint auch unendlich zu sein...

Das Universum ist meiner Meinung nach nicht unendlich. Es gibt auch Vieles, was gegen den Urknall spricht.

Gerade während der größten Energiekrise als Industrieland Atom, Kohle und günstiges russisches Gas gleichzeitig runterzufahren, grenzt schon an unendlicher Dummheit.

I don't have much knowledge about it. But I will say these things are out of our understanding.

I also agree. Life is not infinite. We all have to die one day.

The infinite universe is like long-term predictions. You can't be wrong because what is the long term? but something infinite

Interesting thoughts, I think the big bang theory will ultimately be scrapped when we better understand the universe. I think our understanding of the universe is still in it's infancy, but it is fun to ponder infinity.

Things will surely end someday. Death is inevitable so we all will die someday

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I often think about infinity. In human ideas, the soul, God and other immaterial worlds can be eternal. But do all these immaterial things exist? I assume they exist.