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They start by reflecting on the pressure that comes with public recognition. One mentions feeling “stressed out” from doing publicity tours in New York and navigating comments from fans and critics. They talk about the brutal but essential process of refining their craft by taking criticism, especially around editing and performance. There's an honest acknowledgment that hating their own work is part of growth, and staying persistent is key.
The Influence of Media and Anxiety
A tangent leads to a conversation about Charlamagne's audiobook, where they discuss how talking extensively can trigger “weird” anxiety, stemming from the fear of saying the wrong thing or facing backlash. They relate this to interactions with others and how speaking openly sometimes exposes vulnerabilities.