relationship, we can potentially even get to a detente that Neil Ferguson talks about. But you can do that as long as this sort of damocles this handover Taiwan, and as China is preparing to take that island by force. So, Dimitri, I'm going to move us to the second hour of this conversation. There's so much more to discuss. I want to drill down a little bit more into the importance of Taiwan, to understand why you think it's so important. And also, I mean, it's obvious here as we're talking that the key is deterrence. Because if we knew it for a fact that US support for Taiwan would lead to a nuclear exchange, we would just let the Chinese have it. But we don't know that. And so we're trying to do our best to deter that possibility. I assume you agree with that. I mean, you really have three possibilities here, right? And only three. That A, China's deterred from invasion, the Goldilocks scenario, or China is not deterred, and they move forward, and they either lose or they win. And I (53/57)
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