the making, Jim. We've known each other for a long time. I looked back on my emails because I could have swore that we had something scheduled in the past and we did, but I don't entirely know what led to us having to cancel and we never rescheduled. So I'm glad we were able to finally make this happen. Yeah, I am too. I've been a long-time listener of Hidden Forces and I think you do a great job with your interviews and I'm looking forward to it. I appreciate it, Jim. So for people who either know you, because like lots of people know you, you're always on, you're one of these people that sort of achieved escape velocity in media and you were in legacy media before mainstream, before alternative media took off where like everybody got on media. So you still make appearances on CNBC. How did you get started in this business? I got started in this business out of college. I graduated in 1984 and I got started on Wall Street in the late 1980s and from there, I started in the Equity (4/57)
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