what existed in the past, because you never, I've heard you quote Heraclitus, you never stepped in the same river twice. But to something that more closely resembles the system that's in line with our cultural foundations. I don't know. Nobody knows. So essentially, what I think is inevitable is a financial reorganization. Because that's, it's not an ideological thing. It's a practical thing. There's only so far you can carry the system that we have. And I think we've pretty much carried it as far as it goes. Is that right? Is that what you think? I mean, you're not one of those people that thinks that this can go on for another 10, 20 years. No, I don't. I think demographics embedded into this situation. Is that the primary driver in your view? Well, it's a combination of things. I mean, you have, it's certainly a catalyst. I mean, it's a catalyst that cannot be avoided. The population is aging, 75 million baby boomers are just naturally retiring. They're going to give up power (61/96)
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