This is simple, A warning at the first and second violation with an explanation of what is not right,
is quite sufficient.
Reason
Puppy Protection
People come from social media, where copying is just promoted and cult.
How would they know it's different here? After all, they were raised to copy, share, edit other people's stuff and pass it off as something new?
Technical Reminder
When I share a reel , a tiktolk, a picture in the social media, I automatically pull the source with it. This is nothing different than reblogging here.
For single videos or photos, it works here without automatically dragging the source.
Maybe you can add a mandatory field in the edit mask that asks for the source when an image or youtube is pasted? As a reminder?
Penalties:
This eternal pillory of public apology, does not go at all, really not. This is tantamount to self-denunciation in some countries and completely overshoots the goal of educating, improving, instructing, integrating.
One can be so hard in the matter. But one cannot be hunter, judge, executioner and amusing audience at the gallows at the same time.
Then deletion and temporary banishment is the right choice, not the pillory.
Hive police appearance.
Delete this name Hive-Gestapo from the server of Hivewatchers.
Here there are religion wars about cultural appropriation, political correctness, safespace, about religion, about satire.
But the paid community police call their janitor Hive-Gestapo?
Spaminator.
What is it supposed to do, what CAN it actually do except demotivate the new user?
Don't forget, most of the offenses of the newcomers are acquired behaviors of the conventional socmed and not actions of professional pirates.
Why should the newcomer, when he finally gets it right, have a sign attached to each of his correct actions that he has made a mistake?
Why does he have to have his name besmirched with every post for an offense that he realized, learned from, and no longer does?
Why is he being punished for posting correctly? For every post, for every comment? And his voters along with him?
Delete this spaminator. It is counterproductive if the goal is to post legally in a growing community.
Finally, a note about the tone of the community-paid hive police on this discord server.
Users come from all parts of the world and very often English is not the language they imbibed with their mother's milk or were taught by a good school system and private tutors.
So it seems to me that it makes sense as a "representative of the power of the hive" to act in an understanding way and to take these aspects into account.
The sometimes pretentious, arrogant tone that is spoken from above there is not a good advertisement for this platform in my opinion.
Unless this sentence from the janitor of the hive police describes the real goal:
Thanks for reading and please spread the word.
Social platforms grow not because of sophisticated technology, but because users feel welcome, comfortable and in good hands.
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I was reading it with alot of interest untill I read:
Did you know why Hive Gestapo user name include (doesn't work here) because he is not a part of watchers nor I am.
I didn't see you mentioning any tone related screenshots from any hivewatchers workers.
Closing Thoughts!
I think you might not understand what happened in the certain case and what they meant or represent.
If you don't like downvotes you can move to downvote free blockchain blurt or check out Hive's second layer tribe token vyb as their rewards can't be removed (generally).
Recommendation:
Take a deep breath. Relax and go for a walk for fresh air. Talk to your hive buddies and discuss your ideologies and listen to their ideologies. I hope someone who you are more likely to listen will explain you how's and why's related to the cluster of thoughts you have in your mind.
Good Luck in your Hive journey!
Regards,
Just a BEE 🐝
Thank you for your answer.
I know that this Hive-Gestapo does not belong to the Staff according to their own statement.
But I don't let anyone with Nazi uniform stand at the reception in my customer office. Do you?
The Hivewatcher people do, and they don't mind that the Hive-Gestapo speaks in the name of Hivewatcher.
I do not plead for no downvotes.
Sorry if my English is so bad that you misunderstood.
I was arguing that stalking @Spaminator is nonsensical. Because he doesn't downvote the post or comment, he downvotes the person.
I am relaxed and have no illusions that this post will actually spark any reflection
. But I would like the people I invite not to be unnecessarily alienated. It's as simple as that.
If you're part of the Hivewatcher team, or know them, why don't you talk it over.
Maybe there is a better solution than the choice between pillory or eternal stalking.
I would be happy about it.
Many greetings Dirk
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You raise some fair points there. I think it's a case to case basis how they get to make users do all those steps mentioned. Not that people really want to be in depth when when backreading previous cases but some users just get small warnings for being new, some users don't depending on their account age or whether the account was already from the legacy chain, some in association with shady accounts that are on record. How they evaluate who gets a free pass objectively is something unclear.
For instance this case where a new user decided to copy snippets of content without proper attribution even after they were onboarded and told the do's and don'ts. HW only gave a warning and didn't downvote, and most likely if the user just went over to discord and explained it as a rookie's mistake, evident on the blockchain, they'd get a free pass. But then the user subsequently posted the same blunder and it took a few more days before they got their account downvoted by other independent users that disapproved of the act along with HW's downvotes.
The point I'm trying to make is that some cases have their own stories but the predominant narrative is how mean HW. When not so new users come into discord making an appeal, their history gets uncovered from HW database, and whatever previous history they have on the blockchain, they are discovered to make new accounts to circumvent their old blunder publicly instead of facing up to it, so their mistake would have a greater weight over someone that is completely new. But if a newcomer who has no firsthand experience on Hive sees that conversation, I can totally see what you mean when HW becomes the oppressor.
I'm not sure about how to approach the discussion whether it should be on chain or over discord when it comes to revisiting old offenses or new ones. I don't think people would want their offenses written permanently onchain if it's exposed by another party but then some are ok with it because transparency and decentralization, to each their own. What is clear is that there's usually a backstory for each person making the appeal and from a newcomer entering, it's not like other people's plight is their first concern but only whatever HW has done bad unto them.
From a public relations side, I do think the process needs more work for Hive. More consistency and transparency on who gets a free pass. People within the community also need to do their part in reminding other users that may not know the taboo like this instance instead of getting heavy handed downvotes from something as benign as a rookie mistake. I didn't bother reporting this case because it will suck for the newbie but there's no stopping people from reporting it to hivewatchers report for HW to respond to the case. They give some rewards for users that report these cases.
From a decentralized side, people can still ignore HW and go their own way if they don't mind the downvotes, because not being censored is more important than posting rewards.
Just my opinion on the subject. I don't represent HW and is not part of their organization~