Trying to rally consensus to remove the reward pool because of downvote drama doesn't make logical sense.
Is it not possible to disable the downvote feature without any impact to the reward system? Grey it out so it cannot be used. What is the impact of doing so?
Blurt.com is the result of that.
Unfortunately if we turned off downvotes a lot of users would just start allocating 100% of their upvotes to themselves and scams would run rampant. I'm not sure if it would be the disaster everyone makes it out to be but other networks have tried doing this and it never works out very well.
Interesting. To me a downvote system can only bring negative energy. There is no upside so it must only exist to serve fear and/or control in a system that purport to be better than a centralized system. In fairness, every Hiver should get an equal vote whether it should be disabled.
Lets find out if we are like other networks that failed, if that is what you are suggesting. Besides, no pain no gain. It's a simple thing to remember and it's am embodiment of success in reality. Including many lifeforms. Part of natural growth and well being, unlike calculated wars.
If you cheat on my system you get flagged and privileges' are suspended til you respond to admin.
So the part you say doesn't makes sense, is that the fear of abuse by dishonest Hivers? Meaning, technically there is nothing stopping us from disabling the feature. It's a political decision?
A system that rewards based on subjective opinion is unbalanced if it doesn't contain a way to take rewards away based on subjective opinion. Is it better to have an unbalanced network to avoid all that drama? Many have come to this conclusion, and all the networks with this concept in mind have failed pretty hard... and there have been multiple iterations.
As stated in the OP the real solution to this problem is a layer zero one, meaning people get together and decide was is appropriate and what isn't... and those who wield too much power and cause too much drama are put in check. As also stated in the OP, no one is actually working toward this goal, so there is no consensus that this is even a problem in the first place.
When all the biggest stakeholders are signaling that there isn't a problem combined with the fact that none of the other platforms that "fix" the problem are successful... that's just very telling and should not be ignored. Again this is a problem that can be fixed by working inside the system so it doesn't require changing the core code to some other model that we already know doesn't work.
That's not the community. Perhaps note how many users have fled the platform for a more relevant metric. Hive's user retention is amongst the worst in the industry of platforms that have survived as long. The oligarchy that sucks the majority of stake out of the pool is well pleased by it's ROI, but an examination of user retention tells a vastly different story, and it is not the oligarchs that create the content that makes Hive valuable. It is the users that aren't remotely as satisfied as the oligarchs.
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Is the essence of society, of the wisdom of crowds. That is the curation that matters, not that undertaken for financial gain. THAT doesn't reflect the wisdom of the crowd, merely focuses financial resources where they already are unbalanced.
This ignores that negative energy is inherent to the universe. Spam, scams, and plagiarism exist and without a means to counter them, have rendered the platform unusable in the past (before Hive forked off Steem).
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Who? There is no admin on Hive. That's decentralization.
AI's can make good admins. !lol
Just because we are on a decentralized platform should not mean a system is incapable of administrative or support services.
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That isn't at all apparent from the commercially available products on the market today. Even content creation attempted of late, a far cry from business management, or administering Hive, has been so ham-fisted that Sports Illustrated has been embarrassed into deleting the AI authors it has been using to provide content.
Maybe with a great deal of development and careful separation of financial metrics from societal, such administration could be crafted with FOSS AI, but it isn't available today. The whole point of decentralization is that people aren't subjects, aren't chattel to be compelled to compliance with the whims of management. DV's are nominal to dispel spam, scams, and plagiarism, if our deployment yet suffers excesses of censorship by an oligarchy too self aggrandizing to loose governance and enable Hive to deploy better metrics of value than money.
Better an oligarchy than overlords. I vastly prefer mere flagging and some financial deprivation than literal banning and the censorship being as complete on the platform as double tapping to the back of the head IRL.
From a Metaphysic view the universe, as all things, its a matter of balancing negative and positive energy. And since we are responding to mostly an emotional measure, you would have to build a set of metrics to measure the various responses from Hivers knowing if they just had a bad experience on a UI they may give a false response. !lol
The provided link is an interesting read. On the vibration side of things, in one of my career, I worked as a machine doctor. I help build a condition monitoring system where the machine vibration told us when we should address an incipient problem. As it turns out, many people operate as predictable machines. Meaning, by collecting some data you can measure which way they are more likely to lean on particular issue when challenged. Considering the impact from high profile influencers and how most people are followers, extra efforts are needed to get a good measure of an underlying concern in a system.
Spams, scams, self voting and other similar concerns can become more noise than genuine concern. Hard to use a big hammer to combat this because circumstances vary greatly. A lot of factors comes into play. Including ones belief system and most important, how you evolved from an experience that was mostly negative.
https://metaphysics.com/protecting-oneself-from-negative-energy/
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Not at all. Spam, scams, and plagiarism aren't matters of how we feel, but matters of fact. You may respond out of emotion, but if plagiarised it isn't your feelings about it that make it plagiarism. It is when DV's are deployed because of feelings, rather than facts, that they become problematic. It is necessary to censor spam, scams, and plagiarism to enable Hive to function as a platform. Censoring stuff because of how one feels about it is no less a threat to the platform than spam, perhaps even greater.
In my experience and from reading, 70% of the time, decisions are emotional and not logical. Logic comes out after the decision has been made to defend or justify an emotional response. You have to implement measures, techniques and use tools to avoid biasing from built in filters.
If someone's posting is an issue then call them out publicly. That way, we can all learn from the process and not have to depend on Whales to be the protector of the ecosystem. Rich people with power are often the destroyer of systems. Elon Musk and twitter comes to mind.
Hive is a pure plutocracy. You take the words out of my mouth.
100% of the time, 70% of the time spam, scams, and plagiarism are matters of fact, and our incompetence to tolerate them isn't a matter of how we feel about them. The platform has become unusable because of spam in the past. Phishing and other scams are constant attacks on our number. I have personally lost ~400 of my tokens to someone that got my key. Plagiarism cannot be allowed on a social media platform. It's actually illegal to help people profit from stealing other people's stuff, not to mention it replaces society with cuckoos.
It may rustle our jimmies, but that's not why these problems have to be prevented. They literally destroy the platform regardless of how we feel.