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RE: The Downvote Debate - A Complex Issue Indicative of a Failure in Design

in LeoFinance2 years ago

Wrong. I'm going to keep saying this until everyone on this platform understands the defintion of censorship.

https://www.aclu.org/other/what-censorship

Censorship Defined

The -->suppression<-- of words, images, or ideas that are "offensive," happens whenever some people succeed in imposing their personal political or moral values on others. Censorship can be carried out by the government as well as private pressure groups. Censorship by the government is unconstitutional.

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To not reward speech does not equal suppression of speech.

Freedom of Speech does not entitle anyone to get rewarded for their speech.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the ACLU article says nothing about getting paid for ones speech, does it?

They do not say, that in order for your speech to be free, you have to be paid for it no matter what, or else your speech is suppressed.

On Hive, speech is still free.

This is not about "rewards"

Censorship Defined

The -->suppression<-- of words, images, or ideas.

Downvoting a post makes it less visible, gets less views, gets less comments, also gets less rewards.

Suppression = Censorship.

Hive has censorship built into the protocol, called downvoting.

Many people have spread the word Hive is censorship resistant, it simply is "deletion resistant". Censorship is built in. If you keep getting hung up on that word, realize that that's the dictionary definition that Censorship = Suppression and has been that way for hundreds if not thousands of years. That is the real defintion and we aren't going to pretend the defintion was changed to mean something else.

Nobody is entitled to being seen on Hive.

When you start on Hive, you have no followers, and no voting power.
If you were not being suppressed then, you are not being suppressed now.

You already have your followers, and nobody has taken, nor is going to take them away from you.

I'm not sure how to respond to someone who denies what the historical defintion of censorship means. I guess there's nothing further to say.

Look, I'm all for freedom of speech. I just happen to think free speech absolutism can be either two things; hypocritical, or completely off the rails gullible conspiracy theorist.

  1. Hypocritical, if you use any of the following: Twitter block lists, adblockers, e-mail spam filters or public blacklists. (Just to mention a few things.) It is not absolute freedom of speech, if you agree to using these kinds of suppression.
  2. On the flipside of the coin, you'll be subjecting yourself to all sorts of quackery, scams, conspiracy theories and penis enlargement ads.
    If you believe in voluntary brainwash "on the gullible" by the mainstream media, try applying the same logic to your incoming e-mails (normally in the spam folder).
    Consequentially you'll be subjecting yourself to all sorts of security breaches.

If you don't censor any data from the information you consume, you'll be effectively teaching your brain to accept all kinds of lies as "information". And in the worst case scenario, you'll open yourself up to actual exploitation.

You may claim that you want to "be in control" of who and what you personally believe online. Good luck spending your life doing that instead of actually living it.

If you don't censor any data from the information you consume, you'll be effectively teaching your brain to accept all kinds of lies as "information". And in the worst case scenario, you'll open yourself up to actual exploitation.

The super majority of humans in this world do that on a daily basis. I don't know if you think you are immune to that but I promise you that you aren't. Nobody can fact check every single thing that they ever see/read, so its close to 100% of humans have this problem daily unless you are a hermit who lives in the middle of the woods or a person living somewhere without computers other people to talk to. As soon as there is one other person to deal with you start living in a world of "accepting all kinds of lies as information". You will never know for certain if that person is lying to you or not, let alone if you are lying to yourself(but that's another problem of humanity).

You may claim that you want to "be in control" of who and what you personally believe online. Good luck spending your life doing that instead of actually living it.

I have been doing that to the best of my ability.

You should take a look at who I am and what I have been doing on here for 4 years (this is @truthforce writing by the way, this is a shared account with 4 others). Here is the about section of what #informationwar tag is all about https://hive.blog/informationwar/@informationwar/about-the-decentralized-truth-movement-and-informationwar

Spam/Plagirizing/content theft/abusive content(like calling for direct violence) and other things related to that are fine to be downvoted on Hive, in my view. Censoring someone because they are Q Anon and you aren't is just absurd, mute them so you don't have to see what they say. Vice versa, a Q Anon person censoring you because you don't believe in Q is also absurd. Q is fake, was always a bullshit thing to lull people into thinking "big things are happening" so that people dont' actually do anything about corruption.

This isn't about "rewards" - as has been addressed by basically everyone except the down-voters themselves (who obviously can't admit the truth)

I just broke this down a couple comments above in a reply to you as well.

This is about rewards, not visibility, because nobody has any problems seeing your content.