So this view is akin to people preferring their horses over cars outside a city because there were no gas stations or roads. The infrastructure is growing at over 20% annually.
Still an ignorant concept. You'll pay as much or more for EV's and they don't really reduce emissions. Also, the parts cost way more and are more difficult to fix yourself in many cases.
2/ Then you brought up cost. Again, prices are higher today but that is because of a # of factors: first they are premium cars, they havent entered economy market for the most part.
Have you taken into account the rare minerals involved in making those batteries and the U.S.s current fight with China that just retaliated by banning export of them to us?
So China is not going to export to its biggest customer? That is like the debt ceiling nonsense and people saying the US might default. Politicians limiting their spending? Was never going to happen.
Like always, geopolitics ebbs and flows. If Xi has another leg lower economically, he could have a revolution on his hands. He might have that anyway. But you do bring up a valid point about the supply chain.
And how we have to alter that. There is one solution...start construction as a massive pace. And that is something companies and the gov't have to look at. The latter there isnt much hope for but companies have an opportunity.
Needless to say, most ppl junk a car if it needs a new engine or tranny that cost just $1k-3k, so they will if it needs a battery that's much cheaper than they are today
It seems most people junk a car when the lease runs out or they can flip the loan into a new one. That is the American way with well over 100 million car loans out.
3/ Second you dont have economies of scale since the top manufacturer is still under 2 million. That isnt going to be the case in a few years when ramping fully takes hold.
Most people do not do under 300 miles in a day. When traveling there are over 45K superchargers and more than 160K regular chargers in the US. The super chargers are growing at 3K per quarter.
It's still significantly more than most used cars ppl buy and even new ones in some cases. All my vehicles are over 20years old, which I paid less than 5k a piece for. You can pay 20k for a new battery every 5-10 years. Worthless
Make your money now investing, because it won't be profitable in the long term and that's all the concept is good for at this point. Otherwise it's just a dud and obtains none of the goals they are being pushed to combat.
Oh and by the way, a study just came out that state EVs are likely to destroy the roads quicker than gasoline models, because of the higher weight. That means more taxes going to fix them. Dumb dumb dumb!!! Fire hazards are worse as well
Expected life of 100K-150K+ miles for Gen 1 and 250K+ for Gen 2 batteries (Gen 3 is out) with < 2% overall failure rate. Compairable to CEV's for lifetime of the powertrain. Less maint and operating costs over CEV's is a factor as well.
lol, the batteries are only covered for 8 years,regardless of mileage and are only expected to last 10.I have had a solar system for years and also know the range will dwindle quickly enough. I have no expectations regarding mileage cont.
Actually, there is. EV's have been produced in quantity globaly since about 1997, introduced into U.S. markets (hybrids initially) in 2000. 23+ years of data compiled from millions of miles driven and associated cost analysis.
So this view is akin to people preferring their horses over cars outside a city because there were no gas stations or roads. The infrastructure is growing at over 20% annually.
Still an ignorant concept. You'll pay as much or more for EV's and they don't really reduce emissions. Also, the parts cost way more and are more difficult to fix yourself in many cases.
I had to reread what you wrote. Where did emissions come from?
1/ You brought up range anxiety was which was answered and negated. Maybe today it is a problem in area but will not be in a few years.
You certainly make a lot of assumptions stated as facts
Assumption from watching technological trends for a couple decades. There is a pattern that is followed especially with cost curves.
2/ Then you brought up cost. Again, prices are higher today but that is because of a # of factors: first they are premium cars, they havent entered economy market for the most part.
Have you taken into account the rare minerals involved in making those batteries and the U.S.s current fight with China that just retaliated by banning export of them to us?
So China is not going to export to its biggest customer? That is like the debt ceiling nonsense and people saying the US might default. Politicians limiting their spending? Was never going to happen.
Like always, geopolitics ebbs and flows. If Xi has another leg lower economically, he could have a revolution on his hands. He might have that anyway. But you do bring up a valid point about the supply chain.
And how we have to alter that. There is one solution...start construction as a massive pace. And that is something companies and the gov't have to look at. The latter there isnt much hope for but companies have an opportunity.
Needless to say, most ppl junk a car if it needs a new engine or tranny that cost just $1k-3k, so they will if it needs a battery that's much cheaper than they are today
It seems most people junk a car when the lease runs out or they can flip the loan into a new one. That is the American way with well over 100 million car loans out.
You don't junk a car when the lease runs out, it goes back to the leaser.
3/ Second you dont have economies of scale since the top manufacturer is still under 2 million. That isnt going to be the case in a few years when ramping fully takes hold.
4/ And finally, the dealership network had a field day raking people over the coals due to shortages. As the supply mounts, prices will come down.
Within 3 years (at most) that more expensive will not apply.
Most people do not do under 300 miles in a day. When traveling there are over 45K superchargers and more than 160K regular chargers in the US. The super chargers are growing at 3K per quarter.
Lol, which are run by diesel geberators in many cases. Hydrogen is the future not battery tech for high drain electronics like vehicles.
We will see on hydrogen. The problem is it was espoused since I got into tech around 2000. It was always the future.
As for the battery, those costs are dropping, If someone needs to replace it in 5 years, it will be significantly less.
It's still significantly more than most used cars ppl buy and even new ones in some cases. All my vehicles are over 20years old, which I paid less than 5k a piece for. You can pay 20k for a new battery every 5-10 years. Worthless
Well to start, I would say you arent the typical car buyer. Few are keeping vehicles 20 years.
As for the 20K, that is today. What did a brick battery cost when cell phones came out?
Make your money now investing, because it won't be profitable in the long term and that's all the concept is good for at this point. Otherwise it's just a dud and obtains none of the goals they are being pushed to combat.
We will see what things look like in 5 years. I am going to forecast you are wrong on this one. But okay.
Oh and by the way, a study just came out that state EVs are likely to destroy the roads quicker than gasoline models, because of the higher weight. That means more taxes going to fix them. Dumb dumb dumb!!! Fire hazards are worse as well
A study? Lots of studies came out that said the jab was safe (and effective). Was the one you read paid for by Big Pharma too. Or just Big oil
Expected life of 100K-150K+ miles for Gen 1 and 250K+ for Gen 2 batteries (Gen 3 is out) with < 2% overall failure rate. Compairable to CEV's for lifetime of the powertrain. Less maint and operating costs over CEV's is a factor as well.
lol, the batteries are only covered for 8 years,regardless of mileage and are only expected to last 10.I have had a solar system for years and also know the range will dwindle quickly enough. I have no expectations regarding mileage cont.
2- and there's really no precedent set to prove the mileage claims you've used
Actually, there is. EV's have been produced in quantity globaly since about 1997, introduced into U.S. markets (hybrids initially) in 2000. 23+ years of data compiled from millions of miles driven and associated cost analysis.
I can only find projections or warranty info related to the mileage life of a battery, not actual numbers. Do you have a source?