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RE: New Hive Accounts | Who is onboarding?

in LeoFinance4 years ago

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Hey man I respect your work and wonder if you are willing to do a deep dig..
A long time ago I discovered automated account creation on steemit..
It has a clear scripted/bot influence

@aaa @aab @abb
@bbb ....
@ccc
@ddd

Then there's generic accounts of words (even offensive ones like @nigger @nazi @whore then even more simply generic words like @kangaroo @rabbit @water etc.. oh yeah that's an account too @etc

So clearly it goes on and on then the variants mean that there would be a very large amount of these dummy accounts. Many created at the very beginning of steemit. So obviously it was to create fake user numbers.

There's sinister work at play too because some established names were then taking those steem out of those accounts and hording.

So that's a thing then.. still.
Creating accounts for the sake of numbers.

Which in the end just reflects bad on this operation. If you're interested in investigating maybe you value this comment. If you do investigate and don't report the findings I can understand that too as it will reflect bad on some big wigs here.
Which is why when I mentioned it back in 2017 those big wigs didn't like my actions.

Anyway that's the beauty of Blockchain.
That data is always there for the finding.

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Yeah... I would have thought that in the future account creation will have an automatic take over process if a challenge is completed within a year... or whatever other period.

Example:
Imagine that an account has 10 HIVE staked and has zero activity for more than a year. Then, I would like to own that account, but because it was early created I can't right. Then I would be able to broadcast a challenge request for more than 10 HIVE at least (or whatever is the balance but only staked values of that account, any liquids should not count and would be lost). Anyone would be able to do the same, and after the first challenge is broadcasted, 1 year (or less) has to elapse... after the period, the biggest challenge will take over that account. The lost challenges will lose their challenge (do incentivise fake takeovers), and those HIVE's would be burned. The account that was taken over will also lose the HIVE to @null. If within the 1 year period the being challenged account transacts, then the challenge process is reset and all challenged amounts are also lost to @null. This is a way to defend real accounts and again decentivise attacks to real accounts.

This idea acts as a chance to reduce account creation domination and also adds additional value to the blockchain for wanted names.

Yeah that's a good idea man but you first need to have access to those keys and know who created them idle accounts. Then hope that person wants to be constructive. And this place doesn't like good productive ideas. That's why spam/zombie accounts exist because they create a fabricated and falsely inflated network.

I now suspect that this recent report which shows many accounts created by steemmonsters/splinterlands is just that. Zombie accounts to paint a false picture of greater user numbers in those ecosystems. If Leofinance is doing the same thing then that's very deceptive of both those so-called "successful dapps".

This is why I see this make believe "most popular Blockchain community" as more like a cult, now one crowded mainly with cardboard cutouts. There was once a greater growth of real users so zombie accounts weren't a big problem. It's obvious now they make the bulk of Hive.

Very troubling.
Because no big investor would take this serious when they see how fake it actually is.

I think you did not understand well what I said. Anyhow, I have posted a more detailed example of my idea, if you know how, you should find it out.

Yeah true I didn't really.
Reading your blog I still don't though.
But I get it enough to realise, if that can be done why hasn't it?
Wouldn't it be a positive for Hive to recover the funds in those zombie accounts?
Apart from inflated user numbers, why would so many idle accounts be needed?

But I get it enough to realise, if that can be done why hasn't it?

If all was as simple as that way of putting out things... gosh... maybe I am getting old and slow... Anyway, everyone is doing what they can/able. Just because an idea looks good, it sometimes doesn't mean it should be implemented. There is more that needs to be done around it, like context, strategy, long term planning, consequences prediction/studies... I know this is all an experiment, but it's a very complex and large scale one with an unprecedented number of reasons it will forever be in the Crypto History. So, not as easy as it might look at first sight anymore. Anyway... I should shut... otherwise you going to fall asleep.

Wouldn't it be a positive for Hive to recover the funds in those zombie accounts?

My idea is to recover the account name, not the funds. Although in my detailed explanation I did not consider the liquid ones (that would effectively be taken over). The staked ones though would be lost. And the vision behind it is to de-incentivise attacks to "steal" funds from zombie accounts. I don't wanna promote robbery, the idea is to balance the ideological view of the effort perceived when trying to exploit blockchains, improving the relation between the two ends (good and bad).

Apart from inflated user numbers, why would so many idle accounts be needed?

You need to research a bit more. There are multiple reasons why accounts are created and sometimes not used. Most of them are actually with good intentions and/or reasons. But the main purpose of my idea was actually to protect/change the view of the desire to exploit. Some people just wanna do bad things because of hate or jealous. The beauty of open tech is that you can't think what is "right" you have to think as "everyone" might think. Otherwise, you are doomed to fail to face what you should be prepared to deal with when you were not.

I suggest you keep reading more. You seem to want to know more, and I can only tell you it will give you more clarity about the subjects you seek the answer to.

You're too diplomatic.
I guess you want in to that coder club here or you want to rise in position.

What reason could there be for the @aaa @bbb @ccc @etc accounts? Accumulatively likely meaning hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars when they existed.

Also @smooth then took all those funds...
So what's the noble reason there?

Then @themarkymark revealed an ever bigger spam account scheme that was authorized by steemit.inc
So what is the noble reason there?

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It's ancient history but essentially the nutshell of this operation.

TAKE MONEY BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.