When I joined the platform I had NO IDEA that the rewards pool was shared between all people. Because I didn't know that, I rented SP and upvoted everything I did a lot. Almost nothing is explained anywhere. To outsiders it looks like you just come in, rent out delegation, write 10 comments and upvote yourself constantly and earn easy money.
Hive and Steem's problem have always been nothing is explained, there should be an introduction course you HAVE to take, answer questions, before getting a free account. If theres things were just explained easily up front a lot of the bad spam stuff wouldn't happen.
Where are you seeing folks upvoting comments like that?
As for needing an explanation, sure, for some it would be nice to have guidance but when it comes to decentralized media, it's not about what it does for you, it's about what you do with it. People have grown accustomed to having their devices do the thinking for them. So yeah a platform like this can be tough.
A little bit of common sense though will go a long way.
Back in the beginning days of Steem it was like that a lot.
Now that it's 50/50 rewards people just follow an active curation trail, don't post or comment ever, and earn money for doing nothing. Proof Of Brain has less incentive to function. It might cut down on spammers and self upvotes, but now you gotta downvote other people's posts in order to downvote people who are milking rewards pool by buying HP and following curation trails.
I've been around since the early days of Steem. I remember seeing the ugly and deciding to go my own way, which was just basically creating some content and hoping people would enjoy it.
I don't follow a trail. I've posted maybe four times this year. Been actively commenting when I can.
I don't blame the systems when there are problems. I blame the people. Who's controlling who? What you're seeing when you see what looks like a bunch of greedy sacks of shit with no integrity, well, that's humans. No amount of fiddling with knobs and twisting dials will change, people.
Just be what you want to see.
Would you apply the same logic to the systems of government, and say that US government for the last 50 years of endless wars/infinite printing money, etc is actually the people's fault?
Human psychology clearly shows people operate in systems on autopilot, and this is typically the super majority of people. If you are saying you want people to be me aware of what is going on and act accordingly(I want that too), that isn't going to happen in the next few hundred years, maybe even the next 500 years. Pretty much the entirety of human history is dismantling systems, fixing systems incrementally or making them worse, imposing terrible systems, creating new terrible systems. Where there are humans gathering to form systems that oppress there is no room for systems that don't, and almost all systems currently in place are very oppressive.
Humans largely follow psychopaths and sociopaths, those psychopaths and sociopaths create systems that people live in. Is it the people's fault they are born to follow, does one blame the 10,000 worker ants for following the Queen's orders? Or is it 100s of thousands of years of nature that the workers ant are following (human nature too)you are trying to fight? I am fighting that too by the way and totally agree. I want people to know facts, spot disinformation, see through lies, etc. Is it going to happen in our current environment? No. That's why I have been doing something about it via @informationwar for 3.5 years. That isn't enough and I plan on doing even more soon.
50/50 rewards hinders manual curators like me. I don't want 50% of the rewards for upvoting, I want to give 75% to the author. Curating/upvoting shouldn't reward 50%. It's a garbage change done by people who are misguided and think it will somehow improve things. It won't. It will cause more people to buy into it, power it up, follow a curation trail, never post, never comment, and constantly get profit for doing nothing than locking up HP. It should be changed back to 75/25, maybe even 80/20.
Well, I'm Canadian, so when I look at the government over there, I see positions of power held by people, so yeah, if there's a problem caused by people, I do tend to lean more towards the people being the problem. The president over there is just a man in a suit.
Those psychopaths are people, too. Sure, they deserve a good kick in the ass but unfortunately there are none near enough to me to prove that point.
I admire 50/50. The whole giving back to the consumer part is probably the most important aspect of platform to me. It's all a numbers game anyway though. If we had hundreds of thousands more dedicated consumers, like Youtube has for instance, where the consumers actually outnumber creators by a huge margin, a creator could easily make bank on even a 10 percent cut. Think about it. If there are thousands upon thousands of upvotes, and the plan is to give consumers a cut, they'd need a higher percentage in order to see any of that, since there would be more sharing in the percentage.
I'm only recently back (last week). On Steem/Steemit you'd see some very powerful accounts (top 20 type power) that were known for arbitrarily downvoting things. Then you'd find somewhere that they made a simple comment in a post and up voted that comment $8. The comment votes would fly under the radar.
I voted on comments, but never my own. Why? I liked to encourage the engagement and discussion with people.
The truth of the matter is that if there is a way to exploit or game a system people will do it. This is also why all Utopian Ideas ultimately lead to failure.
We can try to discourage it, but I don't think we can stop it.
I'd say we've come a long way since then. I don't deny the dirty. To be fair to this community, I think it's not perfect but it's a lot better than those days.
Even with free downvotes, though at first they were used heavily, in order to solve a problem that was driving most of us mad, I'd say now, for the most part, the downvotes work more like a deterrent; a security camera of sorts. People know, eventually, their exploits will come back to bite them in the butt.
I don't expect to ever live in a perfect world. Without the chaos, there's no concept of calm.
P.S. Been awhile! Good to see you around again. Welcome back and all that.
Hey, I was away here and there as well for months these past years. I saw you start to post, keep it up ;)
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I came across this yesterday:
Bee Wiki
It's pretty barebones now by the looks, but could be a useful resource
I feel like you did
Been posting since the middle of 2020
Perhaps objectively my posts are uninteresting
I'll let others be the judge of that though
I do like to spend a fair bit of time on them
Don't know what I'm doing
Don't fully understand how it all works on a technical level
I just keep doing what I think is right and keep my eyes open for enlightening information that other folks happen to share
I figure that's the nature of decentralisation; there is no central person or group that can be appealed to as an authority, or who has the responsibility to explain how it all works
Out of curiosity, how is it that you didn't know this but did know where and how to rent stake?
I suggested about 3.5 years ago to have a simple checkbox system on sign up that has people go through some basic social rules - like spam sucks ass - link dropping sucks ass - link dropping and not commenting for 5 months sucks ass.
When I joined it was by finding some random stuff talking about earning money on bitcointalk.org. I didn't read the whitepaper or read any details at all. I joined steemit.com and started posting. Within a month or so I think I started renting out SP because I saw advertisements for it on other people's posts/comments on posts advertising it.
I would say that probably the super majority of users on Steem and Hive currently still don't know the rewards pool is shared, OR THAT THERE IS A REWARDS POOL. I didn't even know there was a Rewards Pool, let alone it was shared. I have been in crypto since 2013 and my background is Computer Science and Information Systems, but it doesn't help if I don't read EVERYTHING about Steem/Hive lol.
Why I asked is because I believe that the gateway people come in from and their early interaction often dictates their behavior on chain. Some learn better ways, some digress depending on the company they keep.
I reckon most people (at least those actually interested) know a fair bit about the reward structure, as based on their behavior, they target it the best they can to maximize. For me, I know enough about it that I realized that the best way to earn is to be part of the community, not a path of maximization and a lack of interaction.
There are lots of ways to approach Hive, some are more valuable than others.