I don't onboard people on hive, actually no one really does(opinion), onboarding people is some internal hive bs, try to list me examples of onboarding initiatives that worked... Every time someone mentions it I laugh, I guess am onboarding minimalist, I don't participate in it just trying to do my best to make life easier for hive users. This strategy might work even better, if people stop farming $ on onboarding and create more useful low cost application that will make hive simply better.
I made application for hive users, you basically need to know hive in first place when approaching my application, same for LeoFinance, Hive is so obvious and essential in this relation that I personally didn't even think about placing logo on my app(BeeSwap), but already on my list...
Still whole thing should be discussed in relation to all proposals, this post should list all the proposal and we should discuss it all. If we want ALL overpriced proposals to be cheaper, we should talk about it. Asking for increasing required proposal limit cause single proposal is pure ignorance.
Is it problem with The bar for proposals being low issue here, or there is a problem with LeoFinance proposal? Only this proposal is over priced or half of them are over priced? Humans have tendency to over simplification. It's not like you going to solve a problem here, you might just push it away, or will create another problem like increasing monopolization, and decreasing governance participation.
That "you" is not directed at you. It's the Royal you and directed at Leo.
I know what you do. I know you don't onboard people but the Leo proposal is about that and yes it is BS! None of the onboarding initiatives worked. My goodness we are in total agreement!
I said it, the problem is the Leofinance proposal is expensive, unnecessary and untimely and it will not deliver anything.
And yes there is other expensive proposals too. My post asks community to vote on return proposals which is about raising the bar for all proposals. Then each proposal maker will have to lobby individually to get funded.
So you understand that you attack my not even voted in cheap proposal by attacking this single proposal, trying to create rules that will make it harder to everyone to get voted with quite an ignorance towards everything wrong that is already voted.
I don’t even know if you have a proposal.
It is your job to let me know that.
If you have a proposal you are asking for money. You have to convince me. I am the consumer and I get to do whatever I want and I don’t even have to explain :)
This is the reality my friend. Warm up to it.
It's there for 150 days not that hard to find, there is only 20-30 proposals ? Somehow you found leo proposal and are against it, same way you can find mine and be for it or against it. It is quite simple, you can vote all of them if you want.
I know that I can pay you or others, or convince you many other ways, quite bad if it's all based on convincing not matter itself. I guess we all have some experience with real life governments. We know systems like that have tendency towards corruption.
We can assume more people who could decide wait for some "convincing" one way or another, maybe it's already long term relation like: "You convince me, I convince You" and everything else matter less, and this way reached these ignorance levels.
Once again, am just pointing out that it is completely wrong to discuss governance topic like that cause single project, there is much more happening, it's bit more complicated, there is much more to fix, ignorance might be one of the first thing to work on if you want improve hive governance.
This is a less than ideal result of having the ability to vote on as many proposals as you want. I think the ability to express negation on proposals themselves would be better.
As for setting the bar:
There are 168 Million Hive staked as HP. Of this, only ~24 million vote for the return proposal representing about 14%.
14% is not a sufficiently high enough bar. Especially when the other 86% have to share the outcome.
how much of staked HP participate in proposals governance? all ?
Enough that HBDstabilizer which is at the top, has 43M HP on it. In-fact, when the previous hbdstabilizer proposal was running, it became the effective return proposal, and it too, had around the same bar.