No one shares content and most of the content on hive is close to worthless unless it gets some eyes on it and consumption. Even the 20% we added was just as a buffer to prevent authors from feeling it being unfair that sharers earn more if the post itself didn't get curated.
There are a ton of other curation projects and stakeholders on hive simply voting up content and not caring about if people are sharing them and trying to bring traffic into the ecosystem. We're limited with voting power as it is and lowering the amount sharers earn would just end up having no sharers again like the other 8+ years.
In many ways sharing content and bringing traffic here which might bring new users is a lot more worthy than content in and of itself in our opinion.
Except if authors don't create in first place, what's there to share?
Sharers can put out 100s of links weekly and earn a lot but authors are limited to what they can put out as content, I don't think it's a very balanced system.
Don't get me wrong, I understand why you want to reward people who share, but content everywhere is close to worthless.
The views don't really equate value either in a general sense, but if we consider them valuable because of potential new users then the content getting shared has to have been valuable in the first place because sharers have to go for the best to maximize reach, no?
Looking at most of the high payouts, I don't think sharers would be really mad about a 50/50 split, it's basically free money because they are sharing to communities with an already established audience.
You have to also understand that Hive content are mostly optimized for Hive audience because content has to appeal to the target readers, so giving authors more will encourage creating pieces that are valuable to a greater audience.
I've been here long enough to know that I could spend 8 hours researching and writing an article on the wonders of space travel and nobody will give a shit but if I step out and take pictures of a couple of pretty buildings I'd likely get more attention.
It's just what the audience here wants.
Just a honest observation.
I am an author, and my share was shared, which actually inspired me to join and start posting my own content. Most of the shares I’ve made are of my own work, and seeing it get visibility encouraged others to engage with it too.
I also share my content even if it doesn’t get lots of views. For me, it’s more about putting my work out there, being part of the ecosystem, and hoping it resonates with someone eventually. That kind of exposure can be really motivating for creators, especially new ones who are just starting out. When your work gets noticed, it pushes you to keep creating, and sometimes even step up your game to reach a broader audience.
So while I understand the concerns about imbalance, I think there’s real value in both roles, creation and distribution. The two can support each other in a way that grows the platform for everyone.
Please look at my shares. 😊
I'm actually on your side without actually being against those sharing your content outside Hive or anyone else.
Glad to hear that it encourages you to keep creating, do have a good one.
I get your points re author vs sharer - one topic that could of course be discussed - but what I do not like is people telling established users such as @acidyo (who is not perfect for sure) that did and do a lot for the platform - what al is wrong - I realize you have not a lot Hive staked and what your earn seems to go immediately to Binance. Fair enough - no law against this but I would appreciate folks here to power up their stake to support Hive before they raise certain issues.
Just my thoughts.
I got a bit hasty after reading some of his comments to the others here. in general I think we should be a lot more rewarding to attempts trying to bring in traffic to our front ends, especially those that actually do something. Sure it may not be amazing but 1k views here, 2k here, etc is something other platforms would pay thousands for. Even I as one of the more read authors on hive due to genuine connections being here every day for 9 years don't really get more than 50-150 views on peakd on the important posts.
if it was up to me we'd have 10-20% of the reward pool go only to sharers, that's kind of why I wanna get a proposal going for posh because even with ocdb we don't have enough voting power to support posh, communities, other curation -and- onboarding and diverse other things we do with it due to price being low and everyone just too focused chasing random shittoken apr's or selfvoting through vote selling schemes.
Yeah I relly think over 1k views from outside is fantastic - when I check (and I am doing this not long) some of my shares (and from the other shares) are usually the most viewed posts on Hive that says a lot - it does not mean we automatically bring these viewers on board. Maybe a strategy for that could be discussed without advertising too heavily on Reddit :-).
If you need support for a proposal happy to help as I think this is a key amrekting thing to make us known outside (in a relaxed way) - also see you have struggles to cover all these new guys here wirh OCD, Posh only.
To me one of the marketing things ever happenend here.
I respect that.
Sincerely, I do.
But there are more ways than one to support Hive. I do my part when I get the time, certainly will do more even if I don't get in people's face talking about it.
@acidyo may not remember why he's even following me in the first place but it's because of this link below:
A promotion of POSH in a personal media I started at the time
I also ran paid ads at the time to try to bring eyes to it, the experiment didn't result in a lot of click throughs though, here's the stats on views at the time.
Posh isn't the only hive project I've tried to promote, did a lot with Inleo from general guides to occasionally including it in general reports.
Also had pop-up ads for Inleo on icoverage that got clicks but due to hive apps generally not being optimized to turn visitors to users, there wasn't any sign ups. I believe I talked about it on threads at some point.
So @uwelang I respect your opinion, but I've certainly made efforts that am not exactly giving up yet.
Icoverage is still active for a reason(the idea was to have a standard media that covers hive developmens), but without great projects here to talk about and the actual platforms being well optimized to convert visitors to users, most promotion efforts will be wasted.
I don't know why everyone seems to think am against what Acid is doing with RedditPosh, that's no way what I've been discussing here.
Authors are free to make a reddit account and share their own article, it doesn't take a lot of time, that's not a close and secret group of sharers. They would earn 100% then. But if they don't bother...
Except that would lead to low quality content from Hive flooding Reddit which isn't good for Hive in the long run.
An example is what you seem to be doing right now with your account.
No offense, but that's what declining rewards tells me about what you feel about the content you put out.
@acidyo actually has a unique chance to make Hive content more valuable.
The standard shouldn't be views alone, I can easily write clickbaits and flood Reddit with it knowing I'll earn $20+?, I don't help Hive or Reddit in the process, just myself.
I actually love the idea of authors focusing on creating valuable content, curators focusing on rewarding them, and sharers bringing more reach to said content for a piece of the rewards.
Authors don't really need to do it all, yet they should be well rewarded for what they put out that's valuable and worth people discussing.
But tell me something, do you, as a sharer, generally feel bad(maybe robbed) about earning $10 for sharing a content as opposed to $16 for a $20 payout?
You are turning the topic here, your statement is: 80/20 is unfair for the article author. Answer: the author is free to make a reddit account and share that himself, nothing prevents that so he gets 100%
And you ignore why the incentives exist in the first place.
But thanks for proving that 50/50 isn't exactly bad.
They aren't though, you can check @redditposh, there's barely 20-30 shares per day and most of them get no rewards cause they don't manage to get any attention there.
People are always going to create content, there's something like 80k weekly hive that has to go out to author and curator rewards so if you're not creating someone else will earn your rewards.
Not really sure why you're campaigning so much against this, no one's shared your posts and you've just returned to hive from the looks of it, so not really that interested in continuing this debate about it.
I'm not exactly campaigning against anything, just an opinion, you're very much free to decide what's best for your project and Hive in your view.
I've always talked about focusing on rewarding authors enough even though I don't post as much.
I did same when Inleo began premium and the whole ad revenue program, they never mentioned anything about what authors would actually get until I brought it up and I personally said I'd not pay for premium unless authors got paid in some from from it.
I've always talked about authors being prioritized, this isn't the first.
This isn't something I'll talk any further about myself, just had to throw it out there.
Have a good one.
kk my bad then, got a lot of haters latching onto random shit lately so suspected this might be something similar.
We can easily adjust the split later if there's more people who feel the same way, just a few months ago we barely had anyone even sharing successfully on reddit so it's all kind of new.