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RE: Your Slack Has More Than One Leak

in #hive4 years ago

There seems to be a misconception that the Hive slack is "secret", but it's not. Mostly it's just a place where people interested in Hive can talk without getting distracted by random DMs with solicitations to invest in random scams. I've sent you an invitation so that you can join.

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Lol I was only in there for like 10 minutes and then I got deactivated... Didn't even say anything...

Yeah, just got back from dinner and saw that. One of the other admins who wasn't around when I invited you decided he knew better than I did and uninvited you. The pitfalls of having communications channels with multiple admins, but it's more painful when you only have one who has to manage it. I'm thinking signing in with an account name of LOL didn't help your case much, though.

But I'm guessing 10 minutes in there was enough to realize it's not the leaders of Hive, more just a free-for-all with more memes and drama than Hive itself. It's more real time, so there's actually more trolling there than here. The big advantage from my view, over discord, it's I'm not randomly bombarded by scam artists.

Honestly after the vitriol I've been experiencing I was not comfortable entering there as CryptoFinally. And I did see them leaving a lot of hateful comments about me before I was kicked, so I think that not using my name was a good instinct tbh.

Well, you've been attacking Hive because it has a well-known troll who you keep feeding. It's kind of ridiculous to attack the entire platform because of him, in my opinion. And a lot of people who were initially sympathetic to you (because they've been in troll wars with him too), started to lose sympathy for you at that point. A lot started to believe that your primary motivation was attention rather than honest conversation.

I'm a bit more on the fence and have been willing to see it more as a misunderstanding about the platform than an attention play (mainly because I don't see how such attention will even benefit you).

So let me briefly address your point: while some people have definitely been driven away by bernie, it's not many, in the relative scheme of things. That should be obvious from looking at retention rates: bernie can't even begin to interact with that many people. Bernie can mostly drive away people who can't tolerate foul language and pornographic images (and despite his talk that he's driven many away, surprisingly few leave because of him despite how obnoxious he can be).

This platform is actually designed to prevent people from being censored, just because their speech may be offensive to others. One of it's key "selling points" is that we don't censor here.

But there is a simple solution: you can mute any accounts you want, and you won't see their messages any more. Now bernie actually has several accounts, but if you look at the downvotes on your early posts, they should be pretty easy to identify. On your later posts, you may be finding other accounts though, as you're going to just tick people off if you try to conflate bernie sanders = leaders of Hive. There is no leader, here, including me, who many people wrongly do ascribe as the leader. If you needed ample evidence of that, you can see it in your getting kicked of that slack after I invited you in.

I have not attacked Hive as a whole at all. I have consistently reiterated that I support Hive. I started with 1 post about how I was being downvoted, which quickly translated into people on this platform attacking me. I then did a livestream where I honestly expressed how I was feeling, to which more people from Hive came out to attack me. I have not been trying to "get attention" but this is a bit of a toxic culture if it's so easy to disregard creators who have taken time out to support you. I stand by what I'm saying that this will prevent on boarding and does need to be addressed. What was I supposed to do? Continue to promote Hive while being attacked? My posts were pointing towards a true problem in a diplomatic way. I was not the only one escalating, as everyone continued to jab at me it gave me more concerning things to speak on, the amount of people who reached out via DM expressing fear for Bernie was disconcerting and deserved attention. If you want to actually get my perspective consider watching my livestream:

I don't think you've understood yet, that it was literally just one person originally, who happened for historical reasons, to have multiple accounts. You then went on to identify him as the "leaders of Hive", and making dramatic posts about it, apparently without consulting anyone else to fact check your arguments. Almost anyone who's been around here for a long time could have told you that, because we've all seen these occasional dramas, and most of us don't bother to mute because we just aren't easily offended.

If it's any consolation to you, I've been involved in a couple "comment wars" with him in the past. Nothing serious really, because there's little real substance to any of these disputes.

Honestly you saying this is a real tipping point for me. Really disappointing. "Making dramatic posts" - You mean telling the truth about what was happening to me?

people on this platform attacking me. I then did a livestream where I honestly expressed how I was feeling, to which more people from Hive came out to attack me.

What are you considering an attack? Because people telling you why downvotes are important is not an attack. Also, you make misleading public statements saying that "whales" are attacking you and that members of the community are attacking, when in actuality, you are being attacked by one individual on a censorship resistant platform.

So if YouTube commenters start sending you hate suddenly YouTube is a toxic environment?

Listen little one, the world is severely both toxic and beautiful, and if you are going to throw yourself into the light of the sun, for profit, you should expect all kinds of energies to head your way regardless of your intentions. Peoples perceptions will always prevail.

Best thing you should do is mute anyone you don’t want to interact with, constantly creating content explaining yourself isn’t very becoming, most successful public figures have the backbone to understand all this.

It is about the user base, and what is worth putting up with. This is a small platform, growth and adoption should be, and as I was under the impression, is at the forefront here. You can not compare yourself to YouTube or Twitter. I'm pointing to the fact that this behavior & culture is a definitive barrier to adoption.

As a side note, I've only personally muted one guy on Hive, and that's the guy who memed me onto Hitler. And that wasn't his first antic about me. Nonetheless, he can (and still probably does) post here. I don't really know, since he's muted for my account.