and i dont really see how powering up that hive and delegating it to many different comunity leaders takes anything from the pockets of any small users..
5 years you've been here and you clearly don't understand how the pool works?
When you slice up a pie, more bigger slices don't equal more pie.
When you take a big slice, with the help of the whales, everybody else's slice gets smaller.
Capisce?
Every vote affects every other vote. Bigger vote, bigger effects.
When whales vote, redfish get pushed below the dust level and get nothing.
Their bigger slice makes the redfish's slice smaller.
One 10k mv vote pushes 10000 1mv votes out of the rewards pool.
Well, not exactly because the 1mv votes push the .1mv votes out of the pool, but you can see the impact on the little guys clearly.
What you are asking for impacts the .1mv votes the most.
They get nothing because you get more.
Whale votes decrease the size of the slices for everybody except those they vote upon.
Please get somebody to do a deep dive for you on how the pool actually works.
Don't take my word for it, dyor.
Hi there.. well i do understand the reward pool, and at least some of the math behind it.. I'm no expert but i am technical and understand at least the foundations of it all pretty well. i Think.. read my comment and lets see what you think?!
I hear what you are saying, and yes your math is quite correct.. but nevertheless i think your 'logic is flawed' because your perspective seems focussed solely on what very small stakeholders votes are worth. (unless im missing something from what you said?).
TO me this a matter of perspective, and not a 'who's right and whos wrong game'. I say 'your logic is flawed' because from my perspective there are gains to the smallest wallet holders that are not taken into consideration in your answer. (again, unless I'm missing something from what you said?).
Whilst it is true that by delegating community holders **will indeed ** add more overall voting to the total daily vote, and thereby reduce the upvote strength of everyone else, and thereby push out totally the smallest votes. If i understand you correctly that is what you were pointing out?
So what i am saying is that there are a few if not many significant benefits of delegating some HP to several community leaders and proceeding as i had posted about. Bear in mind also that most community leaders accounts have very little HP as you consider my points below:
Adding more Hive to everyone's wallets, and in particular (the right) new users is one of the pillars of Hive and is what drives the entire place. Decentralzing that stake is a part of that process, and ideally spread out over more wallets over and above inflation so that there is a continual (if slow) movement of inflation toward more and more people. So, therefore:
By delegating to community leaders with (generally) relatively low HP we are decentralising the stake and to people who add value to the system. They add value in many ways, and especially by further decentralising the pool to new users who are adding value to Hive.. lets see by posting and commenting well.
The delegation means that these new and tiny accounts quickly build up a wallet of Hive through upvotes (rather than curation rewards). In that way they will gain much more Hive over time as their upvotes and curation rewards build up via community leaders, and their trails.
The delegation also means that the stake itself is more decentralised (at least whilsts it being delegated) and its being to put to good use. Good use in this case is exemplified by the size, engagement, and sentiment of their communities.. If we agree that communities have value, and through consent, which is how this place works, we can say these community leaders need to get some HP flowing their way.. because what we do is help get that reward pool distributed very quickly (by upvoting them) to the people who often get missed. Its us that help new users get noticed, and we create and hold space for those people to be discovered and upvoted!
I could go on, but i think you get my point.. Maybe im missing something, but it seems to me your focus on voting is overstated .. and there is a much bigger piece of the pie to be made elsewhere.. and that we vote on the most different people and NEW people.. cheers!
Right, in who's opinion?
Why would they get to decide who is worthy?
We have a large enough deficit of supporting free speech already, imo
How is that going to help me, exactly?,
And the other people like me who haven't been favored by the whales in quite some time, if ever?
You do realize you are asking to treat these accounts better than those accounts because reasons, yes?
as i was saying, its by consent.. if someone is leading a community. it has thousands of people with high engagement.. there is a lot of value coming from that community etc.. the communities that are empowered stand by their own merit as decided by the ecosystem and of course those managing the stake.. who have the ultimate say where their delegation goes.. I would say that its obvious that empowering those who lead communities on a social network would me a good thing and easy to understand who is worthy and why.
not sure how free speech relates to this
hows it going to help you.. i mean theres a long list and i already mentioned the most important ones.. it will give you a MUCH higher chance of getting decent upvotes on your posts and comments.. as well as given visibility in the community,, and potentially curation posts. i have features dozens of new users who were otherwise struggling to get noticed.. and i have also send many hundreds of HBD to them too for their posts..
better? that is a strange word to use.. that is an interpretation and judgement of the facts.. i am saying im asking to reward those accounts with delegation to help the entire ecosystem including you and them .. everyone.. most of the time that community leaders spend here is to help others so empowering them means empowering others too
Would you like to help upvote on behalf of ecoTrain? There is a curating role open just for voting, not commenting.. and you could choose to upvote one or two posts a day and direct where you think our 50,000K HP and trails go.. I would be interested to see which posts you choose!? You can vote for posts outside of the ecoTrain community too if you like, but there's plenty of good posts there as well.
If your interested then we can chat on the discord group which i am just rebooting to get our community team together, and help things grow beyond what one man can hold toGether!
https://discord.gg/tg7sHMcZYt