Understaffed. Outdated. And honestly probably cost more than the supposed "abuse" they counter. They do not have consistency regarding equal treatment of users of various wallet sizes (look at how Bernie and Transisto used to get away with everything).
They do not receive criticism well as demonstrated by their dismissive attitude of branding them "trolls" when someone disagrees with their operation.
This service results from people hanging onto long-form content and unwillingness to be an active part of their own communities when it comes to curation and anti-abuse activities.
All the proceeds you give to this group will eventually become private assets when a shift in management or rebranding occurs like the old Steemcleaners accounts.
As Hive moves on to bring power and moderation back to each individual community, this archaic service becomes a stumbling block to its progress.
There was a point when this is a necessity, but any reasonable person understood this to be a temporary measure in the grand scheme of things. Unfortunately, like many "government-like temporary programs", they become entrenched in an ever-inefficient, ineffective, and unwanted part of everyone's lives.
Hivewatchers has been instrumental in the "no fun allowed" attitude on Hive. I'm not sure what the solution is to fix this, but long form sourced content is antithetical to social media fun.
I think the problem fundamentally is Hive tries to be too much, and has no real identity, so it's a mediocre blogging site, a shit social media site, and honestly the reward pool just makes everyone fight all the time.
I think the problem fundamentally is Hive tries to be too much, and has no real identity, so it's a mediocre blogging site, a shit social media site
It's the influence of narrow minded, authority-worshipping fools like Hivewatchers' employee-of-forever (until he gets fired) that reinforces crap like that, and one of the principle reasons I am speaking out against funding Hivewatchers. This is my stake talking, I wouldn't bother if I just disliked him.
I think the problem fundamentally is Hive tries to be too much, and has no real identity
It doesn't need an identity. The decentralized nature of the platform allows for someone (like me or anyone else) to represent themselves, not the platform. So I do things my way, and some people like that, and that's all that's needed. No more, no less.
People run into problems when their main focus is to simply post content in order to collect or mine rewards, with no desire to attract and maintain interest in their work. In other words their content is just filler, not attractive, the producers often coast along collecting auto votes; hardly a sound under their work and the view counter doesn't budge.
At the same time, the platform as whole focuses too much on attracting creators, and pays no attention to attracting consumers. That's a big problem. It's something I've been talking about for years. Most recently back in January, inside this post
The reason why my work, and a few others, is always jammed with engagement, is because we don't focus on the money. We focus on creating a product that attracts consumers.
That product can be anything, and would be successful. Long form, short form, any form, doesn't matter. As long as it attracts attention. The decentralized nature means there's no need for guidelines. The platform works fine by design. It's up to the people to use it, however they see fit, but also attract consumers.
It is wasteful to simply pay people for showing up and creating content. There needs to be a push to attract consumers, and focus placed on consumer perks. Read the post.
That's the way it should be and even the one downvote would be fine, but instead one has to worry about getting "Attacked, called names, having your account ruined or forever downvoted". If you ask a question or question the rules, or stick up for someone getting targeted, suddenly you are a "spammer, scammer, milky, troll face". It's insanity really.
I love what you said, but for many users just trying to learn our new rules, it results in account death.
Personally, I'd rather see more community and tribe focused moderation, with a polite and professional teams put in place by each project.
If a proposal is funded and I assume it will be, I'd suggest a published protocol including definitions "Reward Pool Abuse" is subjective and absolutely isn't enforced in a clear and defined manner. What exactly is abuse? If you can't define it clearly, you can't enforce it fairly.
Also please focus on education vs. labeling everyone names that don't mean anything, like spammers, farmers, etc.
Good Luck on your proposal and while I disagree with some of what you do, I also acknowledge that downvotes and some moderation are needed, however, it can be done in a polite and professional manner or it so shouldn't be funded by the Hive Development Fund.
I agree with you 100%. It is way to subjective and always a personal thing.
Personally, I am always confused about how something can be " reward pool abuse" if it's not a self-upvote.
So other people decide to value whatever.
And if someone disagrees, simply downvote. The Blacklist thing and all that stuff makes it confusing and removes the right of the stakeholders to vote/downvote whatever they want.
Phishing/malware links is good to fight against, but there are other too that are behind this.
I see the spaminator downvote on so many good user accounts, back in the day, if I saw that downvote, I wouldn't have touched the post. However, now I just assume "someone did something that 2 or 3 people decided was a new rule".
It used to be you had to really do something harmful to attract attention from Hive Watchers, but now I've seen team members telling people what language they can post in, how many times they can post and even using too many tags, and while I know being politically neutral is mentioned, there is clear evidence on the chain, that might be a goal, but not a reality.
The scope is ever increasing and the result is a community that doesn't understand the "rules" and feels "worried" about posting in case they break some rule. Most well adjusted people aren't interested in being micro-managed by a small group of people, thus we run off middle class casual users and attract those who are "hungry" enough to put up with it. It's a complete "fun sucker".
I'm fine with individual users using their stake how they want, even when I disagree, but a community funded operation, should hold it's self to the highest standards.
Because of his net-negative effects for the value of Hive and his narrow, limited view of what Hive is and can be, combined with the influence he exerts with his position: Hivewatchers needs to fire @logic, or Hive needs to fire Hivewatchers. I emphatically do not support this proposal.
There was never a need to drag so many others down who were not involved and try to ruin so many lives just because you have a beef with that group. The issues will be taken care of professionally, and Hive will continue on. You might be the only one around that thinks Hive Watchers represents Hive. They don't, never did, and everyone knows that.
Your approach is more like going around burning down every Burger King just because someone spit in your fries.
You'll always be a psycho thief and a liar in my books.
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However, it should not and cannot be a three-member subjective judgment, and should not be done for the sake of downvoting. Perhaps, considering fairness, there should be a machine that learns the malicious patterns and punish those who ought to be. Also, voluntary punishment from the crowd may be more convincing.
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I haven't been active here for a long time, but only posted twice when I was active again, my post was downvoted by @hivewatchers and friends. Is there a policy change on hive now?
Please my account was restricted on hive due to plagiarism I have read the rules here and I have discovered much about the platform please I wish my account is been restored back I will be greatfull thanks
Good day. You're downvoting me and I don't know why? I make my posts with a lot of effort and care and I don't understand why you believe and take the right to do so, there are many people who live and eat with what they collect and you think you are God?
You do know as you read all our comments and checked up all the sources of fraud that we provided in these comments.
Unless you did not check them up as you have almost no engagement with the community in your "blog", and seem to be here only defraud the Hive Ecosystem with stolen photography. With the help of done/pbu/pdq circle-jerk farming ring.
Good day.
I was informed of a post I made which part of the research I didn't give credit to the original author. I accepted the fine and ever since I've been getting down votes on my post and engagements. Can you please look into and stop the downvotes?
Understaffed. Outdated. And honestly probably cost more than the supposed "abuse" they counter. They do not have consistency regarding equal treatment of users of various wallet sizes (look at how Bernie and Transisto used to get away with everything).
They do not receive criticism well as demonstrated by their dismissive attitude of branding them "trolls" when someone disagrees with their operation.
This service results from people hanging onto long-form content and unwillingness to be an active part of their own communities when it comes to curation and anti-abuse activities.
All the proceeds you give to this group will eventually become private assets when a shift in management or rebranding occurs like the old Steemcleaners accounts.
As Hive moves on to bring power and moderation back to each individual community, this archaic service becomes a stumbling block to its progress.
There was a point when this is a necessity, but any reasonable person understood this to be a temporary measure in the grand scheme of things. Unfortunately, like many "government-like temporary programs", they become entrenched in an ever-inefficient, ineffective, and unwanted part of everyone's lives.
0/10 would recommend.
Hivewatchers has been instrumental in the "no fun allowed" attitude on Hive. I'm not sure what the solution is to fix this, but long form sourced content is antithetical to social media fun.
I think the problem fundamentally is Hive tries to be too much, and has no real identity, so it's a mediocre blogging site, a shit social media site, and honestly the reward pool just makes everyone fight all the time.
It's the influence of narrow minded, authority-worshipping fools like Hivewatchers' employee-of-forever (until he gets fired) that reinforces crap like that, and one of the principle reasons I am speaking out against funding Hivewatchers. This is my stake talking, I wouldn't bother if I just disliked him.
I still have fun.
Impossible, there is no fun allowed.
I like your nose.
It's not mine, I'm just borrowing it.
It doesn't need an identity. The decentralized nature of the platform allows for someone (like me or anyone else) to represent themselves, not the platform. So I do things my way, and some people like that, and that's all that's needed. No more, no less.
People run into problems when their main focus is to simply post content in order to collect or mine rewards, with no desire to attract and maintain interest in their work. In other words their content is just filler, not attractive, the producers often coast along collecting auto votes; hardly a sound under their work and the view counter doesn't budge.
At the same time, the platform as whole focuses too much on attracting creators, and pays no attention to attracting consumers. That's a big problem. It's something I've been talking about for years. Most recently back in January, inside this post
https://peakd.com/life/@nonameslefttouse/one-of-those-hive-stories
The reason why my work, and a few others, is always jammed with engagement, is because we don't focus on the money. We focus on creating a product that attracts consumers.
That product can be anything, and would be successful. Long form, short form, any form, doesn't matter. As long as it attracts attention. The decentralized nature means there's no need for guidelines. The platform works fine by design. It's up to the people to use it, however they see fit, but also attract consumers.
It is wasteful to simply pay people for showing up and creating content. There needs to be a push to attract consumers, and focus placed on consumer perks. Read the post.
I have fun too, but hivewatchers hate memes. So that removes the fun of sharing funny memes i find on the internet.
Share a relevant meme here and now and watch how nothing bad happens.
That's the way it should be and even the one downvote would be fine, but instead one has to worry about getting "Attacked, called names, having your account ruined or forever downvoted". If you ask a question or question the rules, or stick up for someone getting targeted, suddenly you are a "spammer, scammer, milky, troll face". It's insanity really.
I love what you said, but for many users just trying to learn our new rules, it results in account death.
I cant meme on command.
I blame the reward pool as well.
Personally, I'd rather see more community and tribe focused moderation, with a polite and professional teams put in place by each project.
If a proposal is funded and I assume it will be, I'd suggest a published protocol including definitions "Reward Pool Abuse" is subjective and absolutely isn't enforced in a clear and defined manner. What exactly is abuse? If you can't define it clearly, you can't enforce it fairly.
Also please focus on education vs. labeling everyone names that don't mean anything, like spammers, farmers, etc.
Good Luck on your proposal and while I disagree with some of what you do, I also acknowledge that downvotes and some moderation are needed, however, it can be done in a polite and professional manner or it so shouldn't be funded by the Hive Development Fund.
I agree with you 100%. It is way to subjective and always a personal thing.
Personally, I am always confused about how something can be " reward pool abuse" if it's not a self-upvote.
So other people decide to value whatever.
And if someone disagrees, simply downvote. The Blacklist thing and all that stuff makes it confusing and removes the right of the stakeholders to vote/downvote whatever they want.
Phishing/malware links is good to fight against, but there are other too that are behind this.
I see the spaminator downvote on so many good user accounts, back in the day, if I saw that downvote, I wouldn't have touched the post. However, now I just assume "someone did something that 2 or 3 people decided was a new rule".
It used to be you had to really do something harmful to attract attention from Hive Watchers, but now I've seen team members telling people what language they can post in, how many times they can post and even using too many tags, and while I know being politically neutral is mentioned, there is clear evidence on the chain, that might be a goal, but not a reality.
The scope is ever increasing and the result is a community that doesn't understand the "rules" and feels "worried" about posting in case they break some rule. Most well adjusted people aren't interested in being micro-managed by a small group of people, thus we run off middle class casual users and attract those who are "hungry" enough to put up with it. It's a complete "fun sucker".
I'm fine with individual users using their stake how they want, even when I disagree, but a community funded operation, should hold it's self to the highest standards.
Because of his net-negative effects for the value of Hive and his narrow, limited view of what Hive is and can be, combined with the influence he exerts with his position: Hivewatchers needs to fire @logic, or Hive needs to fire Hivewatchers. I emphatically do not support this proposal.
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Hive needs to fire Hivewatchers
There was never a need to drag so many others down who were not involved and try to ruin so many lives just because you have a beef with that group. The issues will be taken care of professionally, and Hive will continue on. You might be the only one around that thinks Hive Watchers represents Hive. They don't, never did, and everyone knows that.
Your approach is more like going around burning down every Burger King just because someone spit in your fries.
You'll always be a psycho thief and a liar in my books.
No. No threat. Especially if you're the one doing the mobbing.
https://peakd.com/me/proposals
Found this post there. Didn't know Dan was here bullshitting.
Try to be professional. That's my advice for you.
You're just being sassy. Have a good day.
Your book is fiction though. Your lies will haunt you for the rest of your life.
How's Blurt going? Still better?
You ll always be a jesus freak in my book
no thanks.
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However, it should not and cannot be a three-member subjective judgment, and should not be done for the sake of downvoting. Perhaps, considering fairness, there should be a machine that learns the malicious patterns and punish those who ought to be. Also, voluntary punishment from the crowd may be more convincing.
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STOPI haven't been active here for a long time, but only posted twice when I was active again, my post was downvoted by @hivewatchers and friends. Is there a policy change on hive now?
It's sad this is even supported by @blocktrades :(
Please my account was restricted on hive due to plagiarism I have read the rules here and I have discovered much about the platform please I wish my account is been restored back I will be greatfull thanks
This has cost the ecosystem tens of thousands of users due to the real reputation damages outside of the Hive Sphere. Good fucking riddance.
Good day. You're downvoting me and I don't know why? I make my posts with a lot of effort and care and I don't understand why you believe and take the right to do so, there are many people who live and eat with what they collect and you think you are God?
Hello.
You do know as you read all our comments and checked up all the sources of fraud that we provided in these comments.
Unless you did not check them up as you have almost no engagement with the community in your "blog", and seem to be here only defraud the Hive Ecosystem with stolen photography. With the help of done/pbu/pdq circle-jerk farming ring.
Good day.
I was informed of a post I made which part of the research I didn't give credit to the original author. I accepted the fine and ever since I've been getting down votes on my post and engagements. Can you please look into and stop the downvotes?
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