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RE: New Start or an Echo of the Past

in #hive6 years ago

@thehive I have been considering writing something almost identical to your post here because I see a good bit of the same thing unfolding.

Especially in regards to this:

"If you want to have a say INVEST" "get more stake". Unfortunately this same thing also states we don't give two fecks about community. The first time that is said will defeat and minimise the efforts of everyone that put effort to defend the Steem chain from the hostile take over.

Which to me just reeks of elitism and a big 'fuck you' to everyone that helped battle against the hostile takeover.

And this:

Will the same thing continue as before were rewards are given to the high levels of SP and the lower be disregarded, or will there be a more level playing field? A level playing field were everyone has an opportunity to grow without brown nosing. Will the top tier look outside of their own circle or will this continue? Words will be spoken will the actions follow or will the actions conflict with the words spoken?

As far as rewards go it is already looking like the same old circle-jerk cabal is continuing on this blockchain which is a bit dismaying to say the least.

Something else that I have yet to actually get an answer to is who exactly now controls the @steem.dao account that was apparently airdropped the Steemit Incorporated stake during the hard fork to Hive?

I was in the chat channel the other day when both of us asked that same question and the silence was deafening!

I honestly hope that I did not spend all that time fighting against the hostile takeover just so a few greedy folks could make a cash grab and then continue to shit on the content creators while rewarding their friends (brown nosers) and perpetuating the cycle of abuse that occurred on the previous blockchain.

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It's my understanding that no one controls the @steem.dao account. That account is used to automatically transfer payments to the proposal system recipients.

Yes and the proposal system is done by DPOS votes if I am not mistaken, Big stake makes a proposal it goes through.

That is correct, anyone is free to visit the proposals page and vote on anything they'd like to see get funded. Any proposal that ranks above @gtg's return proposal will receive funds based on the requested amount modified by what the dao is able to payout.

So one thousand small votes gets no where. One big vote gets passed ?

Hard to say, you haven't provided any numbers. What's a "small" vote? What's a "big" vote?

Smaller votes are able to overtake bigger votes.

1000 votes of 500 HP support can be over taken easy by one account with 1 Million.
Just and only as an example.

sorry the long delay in reply. no Gina secretary yet.

Well, yes. But that makes sense doesn't it? 1,000 * 500 = 500,000 < 1,000,000. DPoS works on the underlying principle that those with higher stake have more say.

I'm not a personal fan of that ideology being applied across all areas, hence why I've moved to Hive where I feel like the governance system is open to being innovated upon & changed for the better.

no Gina secretary yet

use peakd ;^)

Well someone has the keys to the account right?

How does that saying go that folks like tossing around...oh yeah...

"Not your keys then not your crypto!"

I'm honestly not sure if someone has keys to that account or not. @blocktrades, if I recall correctly, was the original leader of implementing the dao project back on Steem. Hopefully they can provide a bit of clarity on this.

As far as I'm aware, @steem.dao is a purely automated system, with no human at the controls.

@blocktrades is one of the few that I actually have some respect for and trust in so perhaps it is all in good hands.

Kind of hard to know without any official word on it. It mostly being omitted from all the Hive announcements before and after the launch makes it incredibly suspicious.

I watch many chats in many circles. Mostly I just watch what is said.

I do one side get a feeling that there is a few high rollers, that do genuinely want to see changes.

On another side I see questions asked and no replies or an evasion of the question. Everyone can agree that things are all up in the air right now. I see the same votes going to the same people who do not make quality posts as such and many of them writing the same thing and in essence getting voted by each other or a common account with a high stake.

We cannot tell people were to vote, but the linear reward system in place now reduces the rewards to lower stake while give more to those with higher. The last fork reduced the value of my vote because of a lower SP and increased the vote of those at the top. Basically taxing the lower to reward the higher. We need an equal system of vote power at least.

There are many things we will be able to cry over right now, But maybe best not to make those issues of discussion until things settle a little. If DPOS is mentioned then as an argument against a change we know we have been hoodwinked and the community said to be what things are about does not count.

Wait and see is the only option we have.

I agree on all points... especially on waiting and seeing.

I am definitely not in a hurry or anything and think that it is best to just view the situation pragmatically and be supportive of the new blockchain even if some of the core is rotten and needs to be cut out later or at least drug kicking and screaming into the light.

Thank you for your words and sharing your views.