Identifying and Addressing Spam

in #hivelast month (edited)

No, I don't mean saying, "Hello, can of Hormel-brand tinned meat, I recognize you because of your trademarked label." I mean recognizing and responding to a specific form of abusive behavior here on HIVE and elsewhere on the web.

A Dubious History

How did spam get called spam? Again, not the Slime Presented As Meat, the mass messages. Apparently it all goes back to a Monty Python sketch, which starts about 33 seconds into the clip below.

If this link doesn't work, I'm sure you can search for "Monty Python Spam" on your favorite video hosting platform and find other uploads instead.

According to various sources on the internet (so you know it must be true), in the old days of Bulletin Board Systems, groups of early internet trolls would reference that sketch and flood a BBS with the word "spam" over and over to push active users out. Sometimes these systems could only be accessed by one user at a time, so a spammer could even lock others out of the bulletin board altogether for as long as they kept their connection open.

One way or another, the term "spam" was applied to all unwelcome, repetitive comments on the early internet. It was subsequently applied to e-mail chain letters and unsolicited mass e-mail marketing schemes (Thanks for nothing, Gary) as the natural progression of technology occurred. Web forums, social media, and now our phones are subjected to spam every day, too.

Here on Hive

We have a lot of Hive users who create original content and rely on our blockchain to protect them from corporate censorship as a long-term repository for what they write. We also have some people who want to exploit our ecosystem for short-term profit. Spam is one of the methods used by the latter.

According to Wikipedia, "Spamming is the use of messaging systems to send multiple unsolicited messages (spam) to large numbers of recipients for the purpose of commercial advertising, non-commercial proselytizing, or any prohibited purpose (especially phishing), or simply repeatedly sending the same message to the same user." This overlaps with A.I. slop and plagiarized posts, but I primarily wish to address comment spam.

Such spam may rely on using a bot to automate short generic compliments to farm upvotes from content creators who mistakenly perceive it as genuine engagement, or it may be from a human user manually copy/pasting long tirade comments to random posts, and anything in between.

Recognizing Spam

  • Is the comment relevant and specific, or vague and generic? This is the first hint something may be amiss.

  • Is English apparently the first language of the writer, or is it a new account? It may be a genuine human being facing a language barrier, or just someone unfamiliar with blog netiquette.

  • Do they write anything themselves? Again, new users or people for whom English is a second language may not have many posts or make deep conversational comments at first, so don't be too hasty.

  • Does the account comment history show repeated use of the same comment or similar templates? Someone setting such a pattern is more likely to be a spammer than a creator.

  • Is the account reputation below 25, or even negative? Odds are they have been engaging in enough poor behavior to be noticed by other active users.

Responding to Spam

If in doubt, reply and try to open dialogue. We want to encourage active users who create and interact. We have a global community with users of diverse ages, many languages, and varying levels of experience with the internet.

If you're sure, downvote it. The prior blockchain which shall remain un-named here used "flags" in the same role as our downvotes. The main Hive.blog site has a downvote button next to the upvote button at the bottom of all posts and comments. PeakD has 3 dots near the upvote and comment buttons with a menu of options including downvoting. InLeo also uses a 3-dot menu, but at top right of posts in the thread and blog feeds next to the estimated read time. I don't think Ecency has a downvote function, but feel free to let me know in the comments if I am mistaken.

Downvoting should be reserved for abusive behavior in my opinion, not mere disagreement with a post. If your reputation is higher than that of the spammer, you will not only reduce the rewards their spam may have earned, but you will also slightly reduce their reputation score.

If you do respond to abusive users, you may be ignored, but you may also be subjected to wild accusations and insults for daring to point out their misbehavior. They will sometimes project their feelings of guilt on you, as though downvoting spam is worse than the spam itself, portraying you as the bad guy. This defensiveness and counterattack is usually just another signal you are dealing with a bad actor angry at being caught. Honest folks will usually try to discuss the matter.

Finally, if someone is willing to change their ways, give them a chance. If you realize you erred in your identification of spam, be willing to apologize and make amends yourself. Everyone makes mistakes. The spammers tend to double down instead of admitting fault. We're better than that.

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Ecency does have a down vote button.

On desktop and mobile when you hit the upvote arrow, there is the percentage slider and the down vote arrow.

SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM!!! WONDERFUL SPAM!!!!! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM!

I don't generally look at the global feed so am not seeing the dreck. It's so easy for the garbage to be produced and now with ai capacity it makes it even easier. Wherever there is a way to game a system there will gaming.

We've seen cycles and waves of people trying to milk Steem and Hive instead of building something for themselves in the long term. Calling it out and discouraging it when we find it helps.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is a perfect example of spam. Please feel free to downvote this cabal of spammy sock puppets.

but you will also slightly reduce their reputation score.

Note: This is true as long as your reputation is higher than theirs. If their rep is higher than yours, it wont affect them. This is one of a number of flaws with our reputation system.

I did say,

If your reputation is higher than that of the spammer...

But maybe the sentence is a bit comma-spliced and unwieldy.

Ahh...sorry about that. I converted text to speech and just missed that part.

No worries! I was pretty sure your comment wasn't spam regardless!

See, this is spam. unwelcome, repetitive comments flooding the blockchain with AI slop from a pompous crusader with a martyr complex.

I just called someone ”AI without the I” because the reply to my comment was basically the same words I used but in different order. As if people didn’t bore me enough as is… But I got a more human answer after that. Being a dickhead is really helpful for weeding out spam and AI, I highly recommend it! 😁

I get those reworded comments too from time to time. Some people are limited, have no clue what to say but want to look important and we have plenty of them on Hive unfortunately 😕

I’m gonna start calling people ”limited” from now on, that’s a fantastic insult! 😂

You're not a dickhead, just... A bit abrasive? Hmm. How do I try to spin that positively? 😆

BTW nice to see you're still around causing trouble. I haven't seen any new post updates cross my feed in a long while.

I think the term AWOL is appropriate since I haven’t been on the chain for about 8 months. Which means I’ve been very well behaved and now I have extra sassyness to spend. Kinda like resource credits but bitchy 😝

Happy to see familiar avatars like yours still here being human.

How dare you have an offline life? SHAME! And I am still here creating genuine non-A.I. content writing about whatever comes to mind. Since you've been gone, I quit my job at the library and have no idea what happens next, so 2025 might get a bit more random.

Haha I know, I should give the internet people what they want!

How exciting, definitely a big change for you, good luck on what ever you put your mind to next!

@bpcvoter1 I believe he may be referring to you here..

What could possibly give you that impression? Perish the thought! I clearly only mean @aquarius.academy, the phasewalker farm, etc. 😆

Some people just refuse to learn.. smdh

I've been over this already and you ignored it. However, you are doing a wonderful job here providing examples of spam for all to see. You could put half the effort into being twice as good a blogger, but you've dedicated yourself to being how you are and you refuse to change. So be it. Like I said, the downvotes are back because you refuse to admit to your wrongdoing and continue to be obnoxious.

You call my downvotes "obsession," yet you continue the same repetitive behavior while commenting on my diverse posts and conversational comments. Proof is on the Blockchain for all to see, with no need for conspiracy theory. Get the help you need.