I doubt that users don't stay aroung because we don't do enough marketing. If we can't retain them, that means we don't fulfill their needs.
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I doubt that users don't stay aroung because we don't do enough marketing. If we can't retain them, that means we don't fulfill their needs.
Then we should focus on developing tools to retain our users. Look for good usecases where Hive Tech can be used outside of our bubble. Not wait on companies and other projects to find us, but to find different projects or companies and find out if Hive Tech can benefit them in some way so we can approach them with a proposal.
No EVM or smart contract compatibility is probably the single biggest barrier to Hive being adopted and has been for years now.
Ethereum has Solidity. Solana has Rust-based programs. Both have massive ecosystems of tooling, tutorials, and developer infrastructure around their smart contract platforms.
Hive doesn't have general-purpose smart contracts at all.
Everything is built around custom operations and layer 2 solutions like Hive Engine, which is useful but nowhere close to the flexibility or composability that smart contracts offer. A developer who knows Solidity has zero transferable skills to Hive. That's a massive friction point.
That's not to say that we have to ditch the current custom JSON operation approach, but layer 2 solutions are a bandaid, not a true solution to the smart contract difference compared to other blockchains.
I also think our wallet and tooling UX is dated. Metamask, Phantom, Backpack. These wallets are polished, well-known, and integrate with thousands of apps. Hive Keychain works and stoodkev did solid work, but it doesn't have the same level of polish or recognition. The account creation process alone, with keys and resource credits and account names, is confusing for people coming from other chains where you just install a wallet and go.
And one of the bigger things is we have noo mindshare in the broader crypto developer community.
Solana and Ethereum have hackathons, grant programs with serious money behind them, accelerators, VC ecosystems feeding into them, and cultural presence on crypto Twitter. Hive has a loyal community, but outside of that community, most crypto developers have either never heard of it or think of it as "that old Steem fork for blogging." That perception problem is real and it compounds everything else.
We could easily fund these efforts. Heck, if I knew there was the opportunity to me to be able to work on these efforts and get funded for them, I would do it in a heartbeat. I build fun tools and dApps for Hive, but large and ambitious things we actually need require time and for many of us, we're working other jobs so that time needs to be funded. Right now where do devs go to even get funding for these things, a proposal that won't be seen?
💯 Agree. HIVE shall seek and find the market, not they other way around. No tech ever became successful by simply creating more tech.
Yeah it's not really about marketing and just pissing away money on ads or whatever initiatives we've tried and failed at before. But as you said at least developing for outside of our sphere a bit more.
We've had decent features added to the front-ends here and there, but again mostly just for anyone that's already here. Nothing that solves much for anyone beyond.
we have here users that want to enforce their worldview on Others.
No Memes, No Fun, No new communities build because of that.
Is not about rewards, is about allow others to build with their own views without a hirachy enforces over them
Think about some Computer Hardware people come to hive, upvote each other ( cyclejerk but value each other), more people join and then retarded Old hive users start bully them off.
Never happened? Check last Bullruns, the stakeholders on Hive are pretty retarded to make the holdings more valuable.
Secure pennies in "abuse" and fuck off real users.
We can only pray for another 50% drop. Only this will allow drastic changes.
Hivewatchers for example wants you to post a source of your meme? WTF, Hive has his own retarded rules.
Attention from Humans can never be reward abuse. If people think this is the case, we should ride it to Zero.
If they don´t come in first place they can´t stay. And most of the people left didn´t do so because the product has too little features. Of course it would be better if it is that developed like e.g. X, but this proposal won´t reach that anyway.
if they come and get bullied off because they dont source a MEME by DAO funded hive police, they leave anyway.
Hive is literally no fun.
People cant build here a community on Base layer with Hive rewards because other retards around here want to enforce their worldview above them.
https://peakd.com/active/@hivewatchers/taak1k
Watch this, he literally says " because other social media allows Memes without citazion doesnt mean it should be the case on Hive.
Is like users need to relearn social media to use hive. Will Never happen.
And worst, look who Votes for this DAO proposal, yeah. The biggest Holders.
So you know its not about to get more Users in.
Yes, shit happens (like everywhere in the real world), but it doen´t mean one can´t build and grow here.
I also don´t like most of the proposals, still I like the platform itself.
i like it too, also because it can be fixed. But we need to bring it on the table and in a bullrun nobody wants to talk about shit.
But at rock bottom, we can get real changes.
The downvote mechanic needs a update and rework for sure. It should not be possible to write a bot and autodownvote new users ( Come on that is retarded).
like 100k hive power can destroy 1M USD in marketing budget. Even if not done yet, it could be done. So it needs a fix.
The reward pool abuse is a math problem and not a opinion problem.
If new users upvote each others memes with pennies ( because new users) they need for this Hive power. So they bought in past or earned it.
Lets say they bought above their little community 20k Hive power and upvote each other on niche community content.
If the "damage" because of cycle jerk or whatever the hive police calls it is bigger as the money they did spend, the rewards are to high in general.
So instead of 10% yield on HP, it should be reduced to 3%. Problem solved.
But wait, that would mean the trending page cycle jerk loses power too.
So what do we want? More users? More Inflation? Higher token prices? Lower?
More power to a handful of hive users? Or more users with everyone has a bit of power ( their HP)?
IDK, but the Witnesses ( that should act to validate blocks) Act like leaders. In short they don't.
The people I onboarded all left because the features of the product didn't make them want to stay. There was no drama, just boredom.
Btw low prices are the best time to enforce change :) So thats more bullish as hive at 50 cent with same problems ( in a long run).
It hits zero ( what i dont think) or it stays the same ( would be gay) or problems get solved ( And tbh hive is today better as years ago, but shit is stagnant for a while now).
We shall onboard more users by partnering with compelling services with their own community. Let other services external to HIVE benefit from the HIVE blockchain. For this we shall go biz dev mode. Find those services, talk with them, propose interesting enhancements to their service and community involving the HIVE blockchain. Close partnerships in that way. When needed, even offer dev work for integration work. This means, DHF funding biz dev and everything that comes with it. Obviously only to those that master the art of this type of work. Pay on delivery instead of pay per day.
Paying for tools, like this proposal, is not the right way to go. In the end it’ll be lot of wasted money, with little useful results.
Good idea, someone should do that.
Will you support a good proposal for such?
With current HIVE price I only support proposals with a very low ask. But in general, yes, totally.
I will prove to you, with 100k hive power a random can destroy 1 Million USD fund in marketing.
New users are super easy to get bullied off. The Downvotes are pretty much the most retarded shit on Hive.
No Memes, No Fun, No community building of new people.
Hive could easy be a better universal Forum software. Like Payments and problem talk.
But each group has a culture, and hive only allow 1 Culture ( ruleset).
The Smart media tokens failed. Hive is literally worse than any other social media platform.
Why i say this? Because it can change so easy...
The non stop downvotes is driving everyone away.
No. Those that are driven away by it are just complaining the loudest.
The majority just disappears because they don't enjoy the product.
That’s probably correct.
This is true + downvotes ( and not even Hivewatchers) from other users dont agree feel unfair to users.
It is what it is. With "smart media tokens" it might be different.
But 1 shared reward pool for 1000000 different worldviews and opinions is pretty retarded and will ultimate work like a social credit system.
Offend nobody, be nice to everyone, have no opinion about anything.
Thats not what online culture is. Imagine normal Forums could use Hive as extension for payments ( and can post Content also).
The problem they have a different view what value is and they need a reason to use Hive.
What is the reason to use Hive? There is no reason.
Price is low enough to rework the retarded curation mechanic, maybe make it disappear or make it so low that is has no impact. Hive cant drop below zero, so whats the risk?
Or PPL can vote where the share of the pool should go into. Like tags or communities, so they can Overview it for themselves.
Fight abuse ( is only necessary if spam). Social media is always retarded, so Holders need to accept it or should sell all hive ( i mean long term it will hit 0 if nothing changes).
100x users means more $ for holders. Let them have a place to log in daily, cyclejerk each other ( For that they need hive power, so more demand) and let them have fun.
If abuse is from math to much damage, reduce the % issued in Hive rewards, problem fixed.