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RE: HiveForum KL Roundtable (Sun 19 OCT 2025): Improving DAO Spending, Accountability & ValuePlan Transparency

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Steps in the right direction for sure.
GAAP for the win.
DHF spending must end the disappear black hole proposal funding. Proposals need to demonstrate follow through reporting.
We so desperately need new names associated with VP
It is essential to reestablish trust in VP and a vote full of fresh faces would be a good start.
My short list of nominations of people that in my experience have shown to be trustworthy and who always seem to have the best for hive in heart and mind.
@steevc
@louis88
@livinguktaiwan
@meno
@mynewlife
@thekittygirl
@shadowspub

There are more for sure
@ura-soul certainly seems qualified

(I went digging for a quote that captures the right mindset for someone best suited to a role like this on Hive.)

“Those fit to rule are the ones least eager to rule.” — Paraphrase of Plato

A shake up of DHF and VP is the most refreshing news I’ve heard in a while on Hive.

I’d like to see other users short lists.
Lets get this ball rolling.

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My short list of nominations of people that in my experience have shown to be trustworthy and who always seem to have the best for hive in heart and mind.

(I went digging for a quote that captures the right mindset for someone best suited to a role like this on Hive.)

“Those fit to rule are the ones least eager to rule.” — Paraphrase of Plato

Uhm... erm... wait! ...then according to Plato... Aren't people like: @valued-customer, @amaterasusolar, @sunlit7, @mondoshawan, @blanchy, @antisocialist and me, persons trustworthy and qualified enough as to also have been nominated and included in your list?

Yes, i agree with many of the names you have put forward. And im sure there are many more.
I'm actually very curious to hear other peoples short lists of trusted and competent hiveans that could be a part of a committee to reevaluate VP and DHF standards.
Though after reading through the comments here...just scrapping value plan completely would probs be the least complicated and most appreciated for and by the community.

Yes, i agree with many of the names you have put forward.

Of course. I knew you'd agree. :)

And im sure there are many more.

Oh! a lot more indeed. But sadly, many of those I would have also nominated and included on my list, they have already begun interacting with the system only once per Lent and are posting and commenting less and less.

I'm actually very curious to hear other peoples short lists of trusted and competent hiveans that could be a part of a committee to reevaluate VP and DHF standards.

Yeah, I'm very curious too. In fact, I thought it was/is a brilliant idea that we should all somehow encourage everyone to draw up their own short lists of nominees.

Though after reading through the comments here...just scrapping value plan completely would probs be the least complicated and most appreciated for and by the community.

"Nunca vayas a dudarlo Pepe Trueno!" «Quick Draw McGraw»

If the funded charities Valueplan supports can't get support as standalone proposals - with individual return proposals all they have to counter, and not GTG's #0 blanket return proposal - then we're better off without them.

I recall Crim stated she'd mount her own proposal recently, and could hardly admire her more for it. If she does Imma plead with her to commit to GAAP so I can vote for it. Her tireless advocacy for Hive is the best thing Valueplan has going IMHO, and I'd much rather do as you suggest but continue support for her advocacy without the rest of the baggage in Valueplan.

LOL

I'd vote for a couple of them myself, and often do, precisely because of their integrity. Some of them, like me, are probably too whacko for such responsibilities. But - you didn't nominate yourself. You have certainly demonstrated robust endurance in the face of adversity, which is a rare and valuable trait.

But - you didn't nominate yourself.

Oh yeah, I actually did!! See that 'me' word in bold at the end after mentioning @antisocialist?

Some of them, like me, are probably too whacko for such responsibilities.

Yup, that's true. I'm afraid Plato probably wasn't thinking specifically about the good whackos as "fit to rule chaps" when he made that quote.

You have certainly demonstrated robust endurance in the face of adversity, which is a rare and valuable trait.

Thank you! But as you already know, I have a very high & strong reputation as a whacko that I still have to protect and preserve.

You're right, and I missed it because it wasn't a link like the others.

Personally, as you may recall, I'm in favor of oddballs and dissenters. They're the only people that actually ever make positive changes that I've seen.

You couldn't have said it better. Definitely the world is in desperate needs of an increasing amount of wackos, oddballs and dissenters if we really want to improve and survive.

Volunteer yourselves, not others. There's enough work to go around for everyone. There is a learning curve to get into the Value Plan workflow and understand all of the controls and processes, since any decision should be made based on knowledge.

As Plato wrote in Laches: "Because, I presume, an issue should be decided based upon knowledge rather than numbers, if it is to be decided alright" (184e).

I'm not going to volunteer, but I'm so glad someone finally noticed the stupid things you do, supporting projects with no future. I guess all of this has you a bit overwhelmed (or 'obfuscated'), along with old age. Take a cane once and for all and go home.

I'm glad you piped up. I was starting to feel lonely at the front.

Volunteer yourselves, not others.

Well, at least I did. I volunteered, just as it appears on my list of nominees.

There's enough work to go around for everyone.

I have no doubt that there must be enough work. Especially if it involves doing things right and properly. And by the way, talking about work and knowledge. When the hell are you going to kill the useless, annoying, worthless and despicable work/service of @spaminator? Are you gonna do it yourself or are you gonna wait for me to do it?

Message me any time you want if you want to talk about Spaminator.

¡Holy shit! Just look how stubborn and obstinate you really are. Why the hell not discuss everything in public like normal people who have nothing to hide do? ¿Huh?

Just quit harrassing him because he won't kowtow. He wouldn't even apologize to me, but I don't flag him for it.