"...share the voices between a larger group."
It is a common danger to be a victim of groupthink in institutional settings. In order to prevent that it is necessary to include people you don't generally converse with, to seek out and specifically include dissidents, those you disagree with, and particularly those that do not share the viewpoint common to your bubble.
It is notable that in science, every major change has come from outsiders, dissidents, and those that gatekeepers sought to silence. A patent clerk from Germany that barely passed university maths disproved Newton's physics, that had stood for centuries. Perhaps if physicists had courted more dissidents cosmology would have improved centuries prior.
Hive isn't as fundamental as physics. Hive can't last for centuries with the execrable user retention it has now. It should be very obvious that whales do not have the same interests as new users, so the mechanisms and principles they will propose and support won't reflect onboards and their needs. If you want Hive to grow - and unless it grows it will die - I strongly recommend asking users that fled the platform what it would take to get them back. I think I know what you'd learn from asking them, but I'd prefer if ya'll asked 1000 of them and learned it from them.
Someone should have a account wrangle all the small and non whale accounts to just vote as one large whale not sure how much HP that would get to but maybe it could take some control if you had one person voting it based on a few ideas that would make things better for the majority of ppl. Plus it could run a witness and make the money off that to keep growing its influence. We really would just need someone with access to investors with deep pockets to slowly buy up enough hive with many accounts then when they have enough put it together and start doing things a bit differently and holding ppl accountable. Could be done with millions and if there were a bunch of investors that wanted to profit by changing the issues with HIVE and taking the handcuffs off everyone. I mean the HIVE care is a pretty big waste of DHF funds and I bet there are ppl living pretty large off the DHF funds with the majority stakes then they dv anyone and nuke there accounts when they get to much momentum or lower there rewards if they get to many lol. No wonder we do not have many new users who would want to work hard on a post get say 100 hive have it lowered to 10 hive bc a larger stakeholder wants to keep more money lol.
We should get rid of downvoting all together it would stop the down vote cartels here which are a negative experience for 99% of ppl I would think and I bet many really could care less if they are there or not most ppl just want to monetize there account and grow there stake as well while selling some so they can profit. Money is probably the primary reason most come here at all and to game which is about money to. If the popular games were not here there would be a lot less active users as well.
Ssshhh! I was totally getting away with it until you outed me! /s
Sure. That's a very viable way to pile up stake without revealing it as a single pile. Some of the whales have >10k accounts, or so one of them told me a few years back, and I have no doubt it's true, since they get free account tokens as a result of their stake. All they have to do is claim them as they accrue. So, they carefully manage their majority of stake to prevent such a plan from succeeding - but any one of them could have a stroke or decide they have had enough and suddenly part with their stake.
The whales have to sell, and generally do so programmatically, or at least that's how they can pull down a steady income from their >90% of the inflation produced by the rewards pool. By flagging off accounts that threaten to keep increasing stake, they prevent their stake weignt from being diluted. By these means they have continually maintained >50% of stake on the platform since it was created, and still manage to sell enough Hive regularly to enjoy comfortable incomes they can spend in fiat.
I agree. I've spoken extensively on the matter since before Hive existed - but I don't have 50.01% of the stake on the platform, and I can't unilaterally elect witnesses that will run that code. The current ~36 whales (it's usually around that number) that do maintain >50% of the stake on the platform make sure DV's are available to them as a tool to maintain that bare majority of stake, and therefore governance of this pure plutocracy. The Golden Rule on Hive is they that have the gold rule.
The neat thing is that most of the whales mined Steem to get their stakes, ran bidbots during that fiasco, write the code, or scratch each other's backs as consensus witnesses and have since Steem was mined. Only one I know of purchased their stake with fiat (although on Steem the only whale that matters did), and none of them blogged their way to riches.
There have been several forks of Steem, before and after Hive, such as Golos, Whaleshares, and the latest is Blurt!, which has no downvotes. It has other mechanics and no DHF. It's a different platform culturally, and a sizable number there are disgruntled Hive users that came to realize one way or another that DV's are taxes and taxes are theft, usually as a result of being taxed 100% of their earnings on Hive, as I mentioned is an essential strategy of the governing oligarchy above.
I haven't found a perfect fork, and enjoy many of the community on Hive. I'm not here to make money, but for the free speech, so I'm no threat to the whales, and perhaps they are enamored of my charm and good looks, so I have been tolerated for the most part. There's a lot of good people on Blurt! also, but I have been on Hive from the beginning and look forward to being here at the end too.
If you put your devious scheme into practice, you might keep those factors in mind, because with some luck, diligence, and hard work you could succeed. I hope you do. I would love to see Hive freed from the straitjacket of avarice that perennially prevents it's growth and rise to dominate the social media market it has potential to do.
So have I been on it since steem and before just a different account. I have no intention of undertaking that but someone could fuck shit up if they had money to waste like that and didn't care and did it basically bc they got mad at how corrupt some of the things are. There are probably ways to profit off of the downfall of it as well if you had the capital to orchestrate such things but if I did I would just be sitting on that making 10-15% and I wouldn't give a shit about hives politics lol. Only thing I would ever want to try and do is get the fragmented accounts representing a large amount of hive but they don't wield any power together to all wield some influence and vote based on a DAO sort of system with everyone voting on actions taken with the stakes and then the account would execute the votes and probably form a witness that would pay out dividends or retain income to create a fund until its large enough to pay out dividends to delegators and defend people who don't deserve to be downvoted against the downvotes not the spam but ones they just reduce bc they feel like it. That would likely be not possible with all the accounts to get them organized or at least take way to much effort for me to do right now and not be much money in it for me for the effort which would be better spent somewhere else lol. I just wish ppl would all decide to come together and force them to do a bit better.
I can understand caring not a fig for Hive politics. However, social media has emerged from nothing and become the largest sector in global financial markets in ~10 years. This reveals that Hive, were it not kneecapped by avarice, has the potential to command that market, and that enables Hive to change the politics of the world. All the functions of voluntarist government are inherent to Hive. From proposing policies, discussing them, voting to support them, and providing funding to put them into practice, all are potential to Hive users - were it not for DV's, which enable substantial stake to destroy what they do not wish to do themselves.
That is worth caring about, at least to me.
im on hive still bc i play splinterlands and own a small piece of the company as a investor as well which is why i followed over and received a good amount in hive in the fork originally and will be blogging about a few things here promoting a investment group im starting at some point that will be for US residents and only be funded by doing bank bonuses which sounds ridiculous until you realize there are like 20k worth that ppl can do just by moving there paycheck around which also plops 20k in my account as well so anyone who does them all and joins the investment LLC which will have a main goal of creating cash flow and growth from digital assets and real estate syndications as well as eventually directly owned real estate. The group will be structured to allow for 50% of cash flow to be distributed and 50% to be reinvested so it always grows with the purpose of creating generational wealth or starting to do so as it forces ppl to keep money growing and its much easier when its money that you get pretty much for doing very little. On average you make about 300 a hour doing it and can do it while watching tv. If people decide to put the money in the group I will incentivize them with a 10-20% bonus since i would receive the same as all the people doing it so if 100 ppl did 20k worth in a year that would produce 2 million over the 100 ppl plus 2 m for me less the bonuses that would be given out to incentive joining the group or people can just keep there cash and I keep my share of it. Been meaning to do this for a few years just have not been able to due to health issue but now im almost ready to go for it and i know there is plenty of interest once ppl wrap there head around it bc i went out and talked to ppl a lot of them before and once they understood what i was saying it clicked. Plus going after clubs like college investment clubs will be prime candidates as they will be interested plus always have a new class coming in so it will be always bringing in new people for the first time each year and once I get one which will be my old investment club likely the rest will fall bc once ppl see it works and see others doing it and making x they will want to get in on that to. All sorts of college clubs need funding like frats want the best parties that will get them all the booze and shit they want and most ppl need extra money and don't have time to work 90 hours a week during college but would have time to do 1-4 of these a month and i am going to make it really easy with a app and a tracker that texts them when they do each step as well as reminds them in 1-2 years to repeat the same one bc you can keep doing the m over and over lol. Who knows maybe i will have the capital eventually but if i do it wont be for that it will be going into real estate and digital asset strategies for consistent cash flow and growth as well as tax deferral and credits to avoid income taxes all together on any of the cash flow from the fund which is possible if you time certain investments right. Im just looking forward to giving this thing a go and also having a small portion be allocated to splinterlands to buy up a large stake in the DAO again as I used to have a decent stake in that but sold it before it crashed a ton if timing is right and prices are right might make sense to get back in now as I think the ROIs are not bad at current prices but who knows if by time im ready to do anything will they be to high or will they be even better or will they still be there.
I wish you the best of luck with your strategy. After having been robbed of >$1M by banks, with the compliance of courts, I have sought to invest in assets neither banks nor courts can steal.