I am not sure why you are engaging with this Blurt shill.
Most of it? You mean Marky doing none of it, while the others were doing a fraction of the proactive abuse fighting.
Marky has never done a single abuse investigation or spent time proactively looking for abuse. He has never done any abuse fighting. All that is done is adding accounts to his bot that automatically removes rewards on some accounts. Adding accounts which over 95% have been found by Hivewatchers, to start with. This is not abuse fighting.
Also, a large number of accounts created on Hive and found by Hivewatchers do not engage in reward farming but are created for external scams like Arbitrage scams, airdrop scams, and phishing scams, etc.
To trivialise my work and limit it solely to maintaining the database while falsely claiming that someone else has done all proactive abuse-fighting work is beyond disrespectful.
Please point out which accounts in that over 200k list of accounts have been investigated/found by others. This is not a full list because many accounts that were investigated were removed nad/or not added to the blacklist.
https://spaminator.me/api/bl/all.txt
Since a while ago, I have been posting regular reports in Discord and MatteMost about abuse investigated and discovered, and you know very well about it. Where are Marky's abuse reports? Where are regular reports from other so-called others "doing most of it"?
I was supposed to continue for some more weeks working for free, but some trolls continued to attack me/HW for some petty nonsense, singling out some single cases, blowing things out of proportion just to nitpick on anything to accuse/attack the project. Trolling on chain and Discord has obviously not been enough, so it had to be moved to Matter Most/ Hive Blue.
I've received enough continuous toxicity over the past 10 years. The environment here has always been very toxic. I have always received only ungratefulness and filth, with the exception of a few Hiveians.
This is not a "community".
Community means supporting each other and helping each other out. The environment is the opposite of what community means. It's just perpetual toxicity, back-stabbing, clinical jealousy and trolling free-ride heaven.
I don't think anyone is disputing that HiveWatchers did actual abuse investigations. They did. I've seen plenty of them over the years, and I've said that before. The problem is that apparently when you look back over those ten years, you remember all the work you did but somehow forget why so many people had a problem with dealing with you in the first place.
I know that part personally. I asked questions on your Discord years ago and got banned for it. That's why I haven't been there in years. I wasn't going to make another account just to get around the ban so I could ask more questions. And I certainly wasn't the only person complaining about how people were treated there. One of the recurring complaints was people being told to appeal through the Discord while being banned from the Discord. Then when somebody pointed out that perhaps this wasn't the most functional appeal process in the world, the response was basically, “Yup, and you shall remain that way.” Apparently that was considered perfectly reasonable.
And this is where I think your version of the last ten years leaves out rather a lot. The criticism wasn't simply about whether HiveWatchers found legitimate abuse. A lot of it was about the way you treated people, the attitude toward anyone who questioned you, and the political side of things that you apparently don't want included in the retrospective.
I remember people getting treated as abusive for advocating free speech or challenging the prevailing narrative on Hive. I remember whales joining in with the downvotes and reputation destruction because somebody had said the wrong thing. Maybe you remember all of those people as trolls and jealous idiots. A lot of them remember something rather different.
And now we're seeing the same thing again. Someone asks questions about your proposal and suddenly she's envious, promoting a fraud chain, and apparently should go to Blurt if she doesn't like Hive proposals. You introduced Blurt into that conversation. She didn't. Then her promotion of Blurt somehow becomes part of the explanation for why her replies were silenced.
But sure, none of this is political.
It's just abuse fighting.
I don't need to pretend HiveWatchers accomplished nothing in order to criticize the way you operated. The actual abuse investigations mattered. The database mattered. The scams and phishing accounts you found mattered. Your contribution to that part of Hive's history is real.
So is the other part.
So, you can spend ten years fighting legitimate abuse and still spend ten years being rude, antagonistic, politically partisan, banning people who ask questions, and creating a community environment where a lot of people eventually want nothing to do with you. Those things aren't mutually exclusive.
And if you're going to give us the ten-year retrospective about how horribly the community treated you, perhaps the ten-year retrospective should include the reasons people were treating you that way too.
Otherwise it's not really a retrospective, but a Hive watcher's version of history.
He booted me from the server,...
He had to unlock the room to do it.
ROFLMAO fucking hell man. The satire writes itself.
I got permanently banned from the server for asking one question in 3-4 years of being there. Logic is as unhindged as it gets.
He asked someone to decline posts for 300 days to get off the list.
I simply asked if that would just not encourage them to make multiple accounts. Got instantly permabanned. First time I spoke up in years of being in the discord.
He is something.
I was defending him, but not now.
"her" so-called "criticism" was a baseless accusation with no sense or understanding of HW work. They kept going on and on, so at some point I just considered it trolling and spamming the notifications. So it was silenced.
Please provide evidence that HW blacklisted someone for political reasons/politically partisan. I have heard that trolling accusations many times, and when asked to provide evidence of it, it was never provided.
That's quite a convenient way to move the goalposts.
You made the claim that @ladyaryastark's criticism was baseless, that she didn't understand the work, that she was trolling and spamming, and that this justified silencing her. The evidence for those claims would presumably be rather important if you're going to use them to justify what you did.
I'm not going to sit here and prove everyone's innocence for you. That's not how this works. You were the one making the accusations and justifying the action taken against her.
And notice that I gave you several examples in my comment, including my own experience of being banned from your Discord for asking questions, and the rather interesting practice of telling people to appeal through a Discord they couldn't access. You didn't address any of that. Instead you picked one part of my comment and asked me to prove a much narrower claim about blacklisting.
I never said you had a button labelled “political blacklist.” I'm talking about the broader pattern of political behavior, how dissent was treated, and the fact that you yourself have repeatedly made political distinctions relevant to how people were treated.
You just demonstrated part of the problem again, actually. Someone asks questions you don't like, you decide they're trolling, and then you silence them. Apparently the important part is not whether they were actually abusive, but whether you personally decided their questions had crossed the line.
That's a rather interesting standard for an organization whose entire job was supposedly distinguishing abuse from everything else.
So no, I'm not going to provide you with a dossier proving everyone's innocence. The ball is still in your court. You made the accusations. Explain them.
Well, good thing I didn't do that, eh?
I've contended all along that hw's performs a necessary function.
But, don't kid yourself, @logic, your bedside manner has left something to be desired all along.
You've mellowed a bit, but your emotional, reactionary way of dealing with folks has been a source of friction and negative public comment.
Hw's reputation, deserved or not, is what it is, hw's does not get to dictate it.
You may want to find a less abrasive manner in dealing with those of us that have to vote to support you IF you care to continue here.
Or don't, I'm not really affected either way.
Provide me with evidence of an abrasive manner, emotional or reactionary attitude by Hivewatchers when dealing with appellants in Discord over the past 2 years (I have just made a few channels public for you to look for evidence)
The way I personally speak with some Hiveians using my personal account has nothing to do with Hivewatchers communication.
As far as I remember, an abrasive attitude is perpetual among lots of people in HW Discord towards appellants. Sometimes just plain aggressive. I have been resisting moving some to timeout. That includes you, livinguktaiwan, galen, etc.
Reputations don't work like that, logic.
We decide what we think of you, it doesn't have to match your reality.
I stated that you were doing much better, and in fact vote the proposal after not voting it for years.
I think you perform valuable work for the hive, but my speaking truth to power doesn't allow me much hp to put behind my voice.
Maybe I should've brownnosed harder.
Maybe I should've done latte art, travel posts, and makeup tutorials, but that isn't really my function in life.
I'd certainly have more hp if I had played along with the curators' bs games rather than point out things that have led us to where we are at.
You, on the other hand, have a gulf to bridge with the restivus that apparently 2 years of doing better has failed to bridge.
You will not emotionally appeal your way out of this hole that your earlier behaviors have dug for you.
You would do better to cultivate those of us that still support what hw's has been doing despite your abrasive ways, not alienate us further.
Not that folks that abuse have any comfort coming, but because the crowd rejects your delivery of otherwise legitimate actions.
This book contains much helpful information on how to deal with crowds.
Because he is my friend?
Hive politics have led us to all time lows, perhaps it's time to change those, too?
You are such full of shit. I have put thousand plus hours into it and didn't ask $350/day to do it.