Hello Hivers!!!
I have an issue with Hivewatchers that I would like some independent objective opinions about.
I was told by @hivewatchers yesterday, that if I wanted to continue publishing on Hive, I have post my articles exclusively on Hive first or I have to burn all the post I publish on Hive.
Does this mean that when you sign up for Hive, you're obligated to publish your content on Hive first?
This gets into like the same partner contracts sites like YouTube or Twitch have.
I fully understand that content on Hive should be original, my research and writing that I publish on Hive is my own original work.
Hivewatchers is saying that it is against community guidelines and that if I continued I would be blacklisted.
Then Hivewatchers continued to threaten me saying that if I continued to speak my mind about this I would be banned from discord and blacklisted on Hive.
Hivewatcher decided to smear my account because personally, I think their robot falsely accused me of copying and pasting someone else's article and wasn't aware it was my own article. I have published articles like this on Hive and other platforms for over 5 years. No one has ever complained about this aside from Hivewatchers who appear to be the grand overseer's of Hive.
I asked Hivewatcher, so are you saying that if I post on Hive and then go and post on antiwar dot com a minute later that is okay.
Yes
However, if I publish on antiwar first and then Hive one minute later this is not allowed, according to Hivewatchers that means that my work is not original.
I normally publish articles AT THE SAME TIME on Hive and two other sites in random order minutes away from each other.
According Hivewatchers "original" doesn't mean that you researched, wrote it and it is yours, original means that it was published on Hive first, the fact that I created this doesn't seem to matter to Hivewatchers,
I was told that it is because how my articles appear in search engines, when I asked directly, are you saying that my work has to be published on Hive first or it is not original, and they repeatedly said yes.
I am looking to my wonderful Hive community to help me get to the bottom of this and help me understand better what it is that I allegedly did wrong?
Is it semantics?
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i have some issues with Hivewatcher operations / rules and have recently been sharing ideas / seeking interest from others to increase the decentralisation of the Hivewatcher operations (as opposed to the funding - which is decentralised as far as voting power goes).
Having said that, having read your post, and the discord comments and hivegestapo's comment, i am erring toward the side of HW.
Sat Nam
Thank you for you kind words Atma, If I publish all my articles at the same time I am not sure why it matters that Hive is first, thats the only thing I cannot wrap my head around.
As of now I will continue to withhold my vote for their proposal because I can't support a group that makes accusations then ask questions later, meanwhile every one who sees my post thinks I plagiarize, Hivewatchers doesn't only do this to my post they do it to many other users on this platform. When you sign up for Hive they should tell journalists especially, that have an exclusivity contract with Hive if they want to earn rewards for their post.
i do think that this "rule" (and others) re. where posted first, could be put up for discussion with the hive-wide community, then voted upon.
i'm currently agreeing with the Hive-watchers stance, but i see do see quite a few accounts which post content posted elsewhere first, and in some cases i think that it's justified that they still get rewards due to the nature of what they are sharing and work involved. However, i would like to see community discuss this, but perhaps this is not the priority one.
Also, how votes are counted/weighted by HP is another (more important imo.) matter, but i won't go into that here.
At the moment, as hivewatchers say, the community has agreed upon the rules as the DHF proposal has been funded. But there was/is no option to agree / disagree with particular rules other than not supporting the proposal. This @hivewatchers (in answer to your question) is what i mean about more decentralisation. Would you consider making a post inviting discussion initially to gauge community opinion, about particular "rules" which are currently applied? Perhaps pick one topic every 2 weeks, giving one week for discussion then another week for voting. Begin with AI maybe?
Sat Nam
I think I might have voted the for the @hivewatchers proposal before seeing this. I thought that proposals on hive are centrally censored before approval.
Hi.
Could you please report these accounts in our form?
The idea is to create original content for Hive not dump years of someone's blogs into Hive blockchain to farm rewards/get paid for that copypasa spam.
There are some users who are an exception to this as they are popular influencers and they actively promote Hive on other platforms.
i did attempt to report one user using your form a couple of weeks ago, but i was blocked for some reason & lost the data.
i subsequently tagged you instead while commenting on one of that users posts (albeit a different post) and received your response saying you could find nothing wrong with it. Had i tagged you on the other post of that user which i was also commenting on you may have got more of the picture though.
"The idea is to create original content for Hive not dump years of someone's blogs into Hive blockchain to farm rewards/get paid for that copypasa spam.". This of course is very valid. There are many nuances to consider whixh are probably not often considered by those reading a post by someone complaining about hivewatchers. i realise it's not an easy or popular job, but it could be made easier by documenting details such as this and the one below.
So, rather than just jumping on that aspect of my comment, how about my other point?
It would be good for users to know this:
"There are some users who are an exception to this as they are popular influencers and they actively promote Hive on other platforms."
What are the criteria for this?
i'm not against this, i just think it important we have transparency. If people know the rules (which could potentially be adapted for different circumstances) surely this would make Hive a better place and we could retain more users who may also support Hive on other platforms.
The block has been removed.
The block was introduced in February 2020 after many invalidly reported some account for spam.
Thanks.
And my other question re. more decentralisation?
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This comment has been recanted.
i think they do a lot more (in a positive way) than "drive people away" (if that's what they do). i think that most people who are driven away have been "cheating the system", but denying and complain and leave (as they can no longer make $ the easy way) instead of owning up to what they've done & changing their ways for the betterment of the ecosystem.
How about you? If you think the downvote(s) on your account are unjustified, have you followed appeals procedure? i've not looked at your posts/comments btw.
If you want to "sink hivewatchers" it would be good to either help them improve with constructive criticism and/or ensure there is better alternative. Maybe you've not seen my recent posts/threads in this subject. Perhaps you would like to contribute to the discussion in constructive ways.
https://inleo.io/@atma.love/conscious-communication-hivewatchers
i do think there has been some "heavy handedness" which can be improved, yet overall i think (and am monitoring) they're doing an ok job, albeit at what appears to be great expense. i would like to see a breakdown of costs. i'd better read their latest proposal to see if there is one.
@hivewatcher
i hope @wedacoalition, that you take this comment from the positive intention in which it is meant.
Sat Nam
Its funny how, your spaminator downvoted my comment but yours got downvoted by 19 people 😂
You are right in that sense: accusations should come after asking questions. It should be the outcome of queries that should bring accusations
You love us sooo much that you engage in vote selling, power down what we have given you, and now you want to publish somewhere else and copy/paste here for rewards.
It is not too much to ask that you publish here first, if you want rewards.
As hw's said, if you set rewards to burn the issue resolves itself.
Instead you want to make an emotional appeal to a void that mostly agrees with what hw's is saying.
This is a bad look for you.
Luckily, the collective memory around here is short.
If you stop digging the hole you are in deeper, most folks will forget about it, shortly.
Bragging about being 'unmonetized' in your profile then arguing about rewards seems contradictory, to me.
Care to clarify that?
Your account has a rep score of 46 I don't care what you say, your obviously a part of the Hivewatchers cult.
I dont accept any monetary funds for any work that I do, I've never spent a Hive couldnt tell you how, this is contrary to being supporters of the community.
Notice how he used the word "us" because he is apart of their cult the Hive Overseer's
Not sure why you tagged me here... I don't care where you post, my guy. I don't see any problem with the many, many, many people who are or aren't you who share or syndicate their content across different media.
I have removed all the names I tagged and I will go about this another way. If someone can send me invite to original hive server on discord tht would be awesome.
The main Hive server can be found at: https://myhive.li/discord
Hivewatchers has their own thing.
Now they have exposed themselves because everything in my new blog post is 100% original to Hive, I even created all the art to make sure it was mine and their spaminator still down-voted it.
😂
spaminator is just a no-money flag they use to keep track of things, as far as I recall? (don't quote me, I don't know) Given it's not even a 1% vote and not even worth half of a half of a penny, I'd say laugh at it and ignore it entirely.
I apologize, I was just in my feelings and I must've added the wrong handle. Sorry this whole thing is embarrassing. I lost my account on discord, that had all the servers that were started when Hive was forking and I felt like I had no outlet. But this is the wrong way and I'm sorry again to you and others.
hey, I feel you and I don't think it makes you a bad person at all. I'm just very used to having people assume I'm an alt account or write me hate (you did not!) because of my connection to valueplan so I just find it easiest to respond directly to try to head it off where I can. The tricky part is that I believe in a lot of the stuff Hivewatchers does, hate some of the other stuff it does, and also personally never cast "rewards adjustment" downvotes ever- only on blatant scams. The hard part about a truly decentralized ecosystem is that no one can stop you- even when it feels like they are- but you can't stop them either. It's a place full of possibilities but also a place that gets messy specifically because in a lot of ways it's a lot like "real" human behaviour.
Thank you for taking the time to write this kind-hearted message. I know to build what Hivewatchers has built is not easy work nor is it easy to maintain their creation, ie, responding to raging people like me. In the end they have this creation to help the platform and I respect that, trying to sink them, if you will, will achieve absolutely nothing. Liberum notitia potestas est (Free information is power)for them and for me that is why Hive is so beautiful.
Thank you so much for the link to the og hive server! <3
Now you have actually earned to be banned from Discord as you continue to twist the facts, and what was said and make yourself a victim.
Anyone who reads your screenshots can clearly read that no such thing was ever said. No one ever said that you would be banned for speaking your mind.
You were told that you would be banned if you did not stop accusations and derogatory language directed at the project
No robot was ever used. It is another false accusation.
The discovery of your copypasta spam with no original content is an accurate investigation. We never said that it was false and we consider it an abuse of the Hive ecosystem.
Just because you managed to get away with this farm and crosspost spam until now, it does not mean that you can continue doing it.
There are many abusers who got away for years unnoticed. There are so many users that we keep finding new abusers like this. You have just reactivated your account after 7 months of break.
You have not been blacklisted so far but you have insisted that you do not care and said that you will continue spamming as you see nothing wrong with it, this account will be preventively blacklisted.
And please since you are the overseer's who see all, can you please tell me where I "twisted the facts" its a screenshot, I didn;t twist anything, you and your cabal know you don't have a leg to stand on. Its funny how Hivewatchers is accusing others trying to earn a few bucks and they get paid by the DHF daily, your whole clique is full of whales. People wonder why Hive is slow to grow...this is why.
Like I've said before I will publish on Hive first, according to you that makes the content "original"
Why are you guys so concerned about me posting our discord conversation? The point of banning me from discord is to prevent me from proving my case against you, but I already saved all the logs.