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RE: The Most Dreaded Fallacy of All Fallacies

in #logic8 years ago

There are many Truths. My Truth may not be your Truth and that is ok. Can there ever be one objectively stated Truth, or only individually expressed subjectively experienced variations on Truth?
For example, 4 people stand at North, West, East, and South points of the compass and look at an object at their center point. Who has the "Truest" view?
This is why, for example, police will take as many statements form witnesses of an accident as they can. Why? Surely if 20 people witness an accident some would say, they have all had the same sensory experiences - that is, they saw, heard, and felt the same thing happening.
But this is obviously not "True", though Logic would tell us it should be. Truth is illusive. Try to grasp it and it is like air.

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Oh bullshit. There are many true things, if some cant grasp them, that is their problem. Claiming truth is illusive is pseudo-philosophy empty of meaning. The world exists outside of individual perception.

At least, we THINK it does, although we can't be certain, since we can't perceive anything outside of our perception. But the math seems to work out.

I find it hard to believe though that the world does not exist outside my sorry ass ...

The world exists outside of individual perception.

I call "assumption" on this statement.

I have to agree with @davidbrogan, and would like to add:

There are two types, or qualities of truth, as I see it:

1.) there's a relative "truth" that requires dividing out a subject from an objective world, or accepting that there exists subjectivity, as distinct from objectivity (an assumption as a basis point to start speaking of "truth"). Here, for instance, we can both agree that the sky is blue.

2.) there's an absolute "Truth" that requires dropping all sensory information, because either or both (the senses and the information that they perceive) can, themselves, be faulty/ illusory (think about how many things you can prove to be true during a coma-dream that lasts years - what have you really proven? It's a dream. It's not reality. They were only proofs relative to that dreamworld.). Here, I can see a "me" and a "you" and an apparent sky that's separate from these two "subjects" and, to my sight, it appears to be blue, but I can't be 100% certain that any of it has a solid reality. It could all just be a dream, or something else that I can't fathom.

1 + 1 = 2

The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing. - Socrates