Thank you, I was using a size 3 octopus hook, any bigger might not work. It's very pressured here and these fish are keen on what they take. I have had bluegill hooked up and right in front of bass that didnt take them until I used a smaller hook. lol I plan on going back with 10lb bare braid so I can rip through that lip.
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yes braid will help a lot man. I have been using circle hooks for shy perch and fishing them a bit through the mouth and out of the head.