The time has come to explain exactly what the Latin phrase on the coin means. Roughly, it says, "Do no harm, take no shit." To be more specific the second part says "You'll take no shit" Now that we've got the subtleties out of the way, let's talk about why this is our motto and what to expect when attempting to do harm on PALnet. This is where @nopal4u comes in, because while we are a liberty and peace oriented group, voluntarism should never be mistaken for pacifism .
We're monitoring and hunting for spam to keep PALnet from mirroring the current state of steemit and to stop people from wrecking the economy in a similar fashion by gaming the rewards pool. When we see people making multiple accounts and creating botnets and one-man circle jerks of spammy garbage or plagiarism, they'll get nuked (some sooner than later). Why should this matter to you?
Everyone gets a free 100% downvote tied to their PAL stake every day. If you hold PAL and want it to retain value, it's just as much your job as any of ours to take out the trash. In fact, we'll even do one better. If you see abusive content (which yes is subjective) and don't have the power to flag it all the way down yourself, you can report it in our Discord server in the #msp-abuse-reporting channel. We'll review it and if we agree that it needs to go, we will help finish the job.
All of this works to keep the reward pool larger for legitimate users and hinders the ability of bad actors to devalue the token. We designed the rewards pool and power structure of PALnet this way specifically to empower the users and build a stronger community with more incentive to actually stake and hold tokens than many felt they ever had on steemit. Simply put, if you want something better, then we all have to work to build it. Much love. Do no harm, but take no shit.
That is kind to hear about. The system must surely be protected
Twas so nice, you said it thrice.
Oh, I never knew not until you told me now. It was really a mistake either from my keyboard typing or when I was sending the message on steempeak. It was a mistake. Thanks for pointing it out
That's okay! I thought it was humorous. No harm done.
Hear hear, so I must be in palnet.io to utilize my free flag right? Forgive my not being with the program.. I'm aware since I'm staked my upvotes on anything tagged palnet will reward palnet as well, but unclear on the flag..
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It works just like voting, but instead of charging you voting power for the first flag, you get a free one per day. Only works on stuff that is or was tagged palnet, some people were trying to remove tags as a way to avoid it, but that don't work no more, got patched really quickly. :)
Awesome good to know, what slick Willie's we have here SMH.. No pal for you! Good to know u guys r on top of the lames! 🤗
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Cheers with !BEER
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How can I replenish it?
It’s the thought that counts and I have a real cold beer in hand 🍺 thanks 🙏🏽 for the effort
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I got so excited reading this I voted too early. :) Just... Thank you.
Scammers and Creatives cannot live financially together in peace. Although I am not huge, if anyone needs help DV some shit, I too will help!
Keep Pal Clean!
I'm glad you're involved, it seems that we share a lot of the same philosophy and principles when it comes to the platform. Ultimately we need everyone to take/share ownership of the platform to make it work, but one of the reasons for the initial distribution to the mods was for this reason exactly. We've been tracking some, pretty easy to follow the coins and find the accounts doing it. It's going to get fun :)
Exciting stuff
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Keep the motivation I would say... 🤪
One thing that might make it easier is that a downvote with PAL attached is priorisited for manual @nopal4u downvoting. Then the minnows might get more involved.
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That's some interesting food for thought. I'm sure we could get an automated feed of downvoted content, I'm just curious how overwhelming it could get. I like the idea of getting minnows involved and that's why I'm making it clear that if they can help us find out, we'll help deal with it. I'll talk to the team and see how we can streamline this process and possibly add incentive. Of course that always opens up a new potential abuse channel, but perhaps picking some good "abuse hunters" and rewarding them with staked PAL would be a worthwhile pursuit. Certainly something to discuss with the team. Thanks for the idea!
Could throw some AI at it. Even a simple reputation system for doenvoters would help cut through the workload.
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We all need AI devs...
Will i need to go onto Discord to find potential posts to flag?
Or will there be a daily post from a particular account outlining what to flag along the lines of @steemflagrewards ?
I'd like to make sure I'm using my full downvote in the most effective, targeted and co-ordinate way to encourage the biggest abusers to leave one account at a time.
I second your thoughts too. 😎
Since I was heading up the old Anti-Abuse Team, and still acting in somewhat that capacity, I might be doing something along those lines.
Gonna discuss it with the team.
Good to hear, I really out to drop by the Minnow Discord at some point, problem is work and time.
Great Steem name you've got btw.
The server has actually always been called PAL, it's just been home mostly to the Minnow Support Project until recently. We'd love to have you drop in and chat. It honestly is one of the best parts of the PAL community and why we are still here.
Thanks, I have had the name in various forms since probably 2005-2006 when I took inspiration from a fellow forum moderator for EVE Online's official forums. Eris Discordia. It wasn't until recently that I found out about the concepts behind it. I just thought it sounded cool.
I really should, this PAL initiative really is one of the best things on Steem.
See you in there some time. I'll need to keep myself posted about anti-abuse co-ordination - SFG is also one of my favourite things on Steem!
A question: Is there any plans to do a mobile app and have a post scheduling feature?
Good work on the take out the trash ethos too.
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I think whatever should be the integration... if you are using an app that votes on the STEEM blockchain... you should get the same participation.
Although.. I would love an option been made available... to ALL apps... in regards to what Token to support when voting. This would make a lot more sense, ESPECIALLY to STEEM!
Any STEEM app (like partiko or esteem) will technically work, you just have to use the tag. I'd love to see one of those apps add support for Tribes, and who knows, after seeing the support that SteemPeak integrated, maybe it's coming. :)
I think the one 100% downvote is a smart idea. However is it moderated? You know cuz some people on steemit like to flag people they simply dislike over and over again.
If things get too far out of hand, people can become completely excomunicado if need be. That's a last resort, but it does exist.
After a healthy inquisition 🤘
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only 3089 to go man.
My best effort hasn't even got 1 percent of the comments of the average Marky post. feelsbadman.jpg
Almost none of them are real.
I like this attitude.
Good to know I have a free downvote if I need it. :)
Glad to hear, but as I have enough trouble keeping up with the people I follow and do not check hot or trending. I do not think I will ever seen much spam to downvote.
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Understandable, but you should check them out on PALnet some time if you get the chance. It's a much different experience from steemit's trending/hot. :)
Believe it or not, those who those who interact with me know that ”I just...can’t downvote.Just can’t...” but after reading this...it was probably the go for it injection I needed.
One of the biggest problems with STEEM is the lack of incentive most users feel to actually hold the tokens. We really wanted to reconcile that and there is a huge hurdle to overcome with getting people to feel comfortable with flagging, but even with STEEM, the next hardfork seems to be trying to address it. The thing is that flagging is just as important as voting, and while most people fear retaliation on steemit, we wanted to make it clear from the get-go that we want you all flagging spam. We're going to be doing it either way, but it really takes a community effort to keep things in check and ultimately it benefits all of us. Hopefully you give it a try, and if you need any guidance before hand, feel free to talk with us in the Discord and we'll review the content and join in if necessary.
That.
Bring them on. :)
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💀 ☠️ 💀 ☠️ 💀
🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮 🤮
Basically asking for a downvote LOL
Applaud!!!!…
That's new to me, though I think it will pull it from my STEEM VP, I know upvoting does.
I was thinking about the same thing. Steem and PAL voting should be seperated to get the full benefit for the free PAL downvote.
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Maybe we're just early for the next STEEM hardfork. :)
It will still upvote or downvote on STEEM. Interestingly enough, the next hardfork for STEEM is going to have the same 50/50 rewards split and downvote pool. 🤔
I like how this front end is shaping up.
Jalapeno spam ok?
Only bacon spam here mate.
in order to upvote you on PAL do I have to do it only through PAL or if I upvote on steemit will it also upvote you on PAL?
Any post with the palnet tag works.
no but if im using steemit.com and I upvote your palnet post, will it also give you an upvote on this palnet.io site? same same?
It works across the whole blockchain. It just only allocates the PAL reward pool to posts with tag. You can use any of the STEEM sites, like this one!
https://steempeak.com/tribes/PAL/@doitvoluntarily/feed
and I can use that tag on any post?
Yep, it's just like a second layer reward pool for STEEM.
Super craaaazy how much adoption this is taking!
Well done. Ehehe I just like to upload my own original personal content. That is not really popular on the blockchain unless you are a whale already lol
Very nice motto on the coin/logo... short and to the point! I believe that PALNET is the way to go. Many wonderful initiatives the past few months have come to fruition from the PAL community. I am truly impressed!
Thank you for the explanation of the PALNET core philosophy. As a token of appreciation for the information, I am sending you some tokens!
!SHADE 5
Maybe even reward those who find spam and report it? Just like steemcleaners. Palcleaners if I may.
This is something that is being looked into. I am sure there will be updates with whatever we plan to do.
Cool. This along with the mods fighting spam would keep palnet clean I hope.
If I use my free 100% downvote, will it still use up my steem VP?
For now yes, but it's looking like in the next hardfork STEEM will have a free downvote pool too.
Free up to the exhaustion of the Downvote pool... which afterwards would consume from the normal rewards pool (just like now).
So, it will be interesting how people abuse or not of the downvote pool... I see bots will probably be constantly using this pool. So, how to solve that problem is already a concern to me.
You could even gamificate this...
Hunt the Spammer!
Just saying...
Jokes apart, it's great to see this kind of initiatives.
Greetings from Mexico.
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Thanks for the update... didn't know we got 1 free 100% downvote a day! I'll nuke the spammers with it :)
If we can get everyone used to using them, things should look a bit different than what we've seen in the past.
Wow... That sounds really awesome. Seems like I might have found what I've been longing for now when I started to use PALnet.
Awesomeness!
I'll be on the lookout for spam posts! I love that you addressed the problem right out of the gate.
I wonder if I missed out on some stuff. Did I need to do anything to gain access to the pal network? I noticed its hooked into the new DTube.
This is a good place to start.
Oh interesting!
Well I just logged on now. Lets see if I can cross post dtube on here as well for 3 coin reward pool :D
Music to my ears. Great to hear we have content moderation and accounts with the power to actually do something about it 👍🏽💪🏽
Sometimes you just gotta break out the flamethrower.
Super initiative. It amazes me how well self governance can work, at times. I am sure it will improve as we figure it out.
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Nuked as in banned? I don't really want to go back to having bans with social media .A lot of things can be done to encourage good . Remove earnings from posts would be one tiny thing , another have a specific page for flags where users can see the flags because when people get flagged during a normal browse they tend to flip out and ruins the experience / and the have negative thought about pal/steem/whatever they had the experience with . just my 0.02 tho.
It really truly will be a last resort, for those abusers who really just want to watch everything burn. We have seen what can happen if the really stubborn types want to abuse a system no matter what, as long as they profit. We have the ability to flat-out remove that profit.
I love that.. will keep it a cleaner shinier version of steem...
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Congratulations @clayboyn!
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do you know what hpns when you cancel buy order on steem-engine? is it lost then? edit nvm i see now lol:)
Steem Engine is a work in progress for sure, hopefully it gets more user friendly over time.
I'll report the abusers at the discord channel and let the @nopal4u do the cleaning methods ;D @clayboyn