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RE: Do we have free will?

in #philosophy7 years ago

Let me try to dissect the so-called argument which you quote at the beginning of your article:

We have no thoughts of our own.

What does this mean? Like we don't detain property rights over them? Like someone else has our thoughts for us?

All thoughts are implanted by the perpetual motion set into play from the beginning of creation.

Ah, no. After all, what is meant is that we ought to assume that there is a creation, which of course needs a beginning, a that everything once it begins, all events are necessary results of the previous ones, in a very orderly an mechanical fashion, according to causal deterministic relations. And of course, it adds impact to say that this is a perpetual motion. Uuuh.

Now, after assuming all this (not observing, but assuming), then it becomes clear: all our thoughts and behaviors also fit within this fateful chain, and we are merely the spectators of our own illusion of choice. Last time you chose to drink yourself sick, you were just watching it happen; it couldn't have been any other way. Last time you were a jackass to someone, again you were just going with the ride. Because somehow a single (supposed) moment of creation which took place eons ago dictated that you would insult your neighbors when they refused to stop partying at 3am. Let's bear with this "argument" a little more.

We are taught to believe that a thought can originate with us. It can't.

Are we still dissecting an argument? Or this is some verse from the Holy Bible of the Church of Determinism? It gets confusing at points.

The next sentence needs to be dissected by parts.

The 3 dimensional system implants all our thoughts

Ah, so there is a system, and believe it or not, it is 3 dimensional. Now everything fits. I can already feel it implanting thoughts deep inside me. Sorry for doubting.

so that we then experience the reality we call life on earth

Does it mean we should move to Mars? Will I have free will there? I must get in contact with Elon...

which is all suggestion, which most of us believe.

All suggestion, I agree. Not a glimpse of an argument, just an inarticulate ramble about 3 dimensional systems implanting thoughts since the beginning of creation. I stopped going to church for them trying to make me swallow bullshit like this. And I was only 8.

Now I'd like to address @apolymask, who seems to me sensible enough not to instantly buy into that shit. Some physical systems do seem to follow strict causal deterministic laws, but there's a whole phenomenological landscape which falls out completely of the deterministic realm.

Your example of the lottery would probably be a good example of a chaotic system, i.e. one which follows deterministic laws but whose complexity and/or sensibility to initial and intermediate conditions is so drastic that the outcome becomes effectively impossible to determine. However, for any quantum system, the uncertainty is not in the experimental procedure or in the computational effort, but it is inherent to the physical system itself. There is no room for causal determinism there.

Now, I don't know if there is or there is not free will. Like you, I feel inclined to believe there is. What I do know is that waving around determinism as definitive proof of our lack of free will is completely fallacious, because causal determinism is neither fundamental nor universal within our perceived reality.