Cicero had a marvelous way to debate "targets"..." I'm so sure of my position I won't even bring up the fact that my learned opponent beats his wife, molests his children, hates kittens and drowns puppies. I don't even need to bring it up."
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yeah , I know what you mean .....
Great book by the way : children as targets for adults
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Cicero was a very skilled, wit and outstanding orator and his speeches the perfect persuasion :)