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RE: Terrible Analogies and the gun debate

in #politics3 years ago

That's certainly a possibility. I could only find one school shooting case between Israel and Switzerland and that was a terrorist attack back in 2002.

It is like if the same person gets struck by lightning three times or more, they need to be reviewing what they were doing in the lead up to the strikes.

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But the same person isn't getting struck by lightning over and over. The news just shows it over and over to give that impression. Between 2010 - 2020 there were 9 school shootings that involved multiple victim fatalities at a school. In a country with 130,000 schools, 330,000,000 people, and 400,000,000 guns, that seems like a low number of shootings.

The problem that I have with the policies that have been proposed in America is they only put limits on law abiding citizens. Guns are used defensively to stop crimes 50-100 times for every 1 time they are used offensively to commit crimes. Limiting law abiding citizens would turn a lot of defenders into victims.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, almost every major study on defensive gun use has found that Americans use their firearms defensively between 500,000 and 3 million times each year. There’s good reason to believe that most defensive gun uses are never reported to law enforcement, much less picked up by local or national media outlets.

From here.

Everything is a trade-off. We trade the convenience of personal vehicles for 36,000 fatalities per year. The gun trade-off is a difficult one to reconcile. Is it worth risking the occasional terrible school shooting tragedy if it saves 100 or 1000 or 10,000 lives per year? I think it is worth the risk, but that doesn't make school shootings any less tragic or heart wrenching. So far I haven't heard of any policy that would actually reduce fatalities over all, they simply reduce fatalities in one area and dramatically increase them in another area.

Statista seems to have a much higher number of school shootings but maybe they're counting isolated incidents and not just mass shootings:

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Agreed - it is a trade-off but i'm not sure there would be as many incidents if guns weren't so easily available. Again it's one of those hypotheticals we'll never really know for sure.

Nice pictures of Croatia, btw. I had to stop in Slovenia and turn back the last time I was in Europe. Always wanted to visit Croatia. Hopefully, next time I'm in Europe.

I was looking at Wikipedia for the statistics that I used. I didn't count the ones like pellet-gun shootings or people committing suicide. Depending on who is promoting what agenda, you will often see things like gang shootings where someone ran onto a school campus on a Saturday included in the stats, or things like that.

I'm glad you liked the pictures! Croatia was pretty awesome. It's definitely a place that I'd like to return to.