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RE: Preliminary Announcement of Proposals for Feeless SWAP & Hive Onboarding

in #proposal2 years ago

I would feel the exact same way because I already understood it wasn't one big macro ask.

But to further answer your question, I would feel great about it if we could say the first proposal was the working game.

Let's call the working game--already more than fully funded by the community and a VC-- the first job to complete and then they can come back and ask for more.

But the progressively higher asks making me feel better about it? That's the basis for the word con man. The scams that created the term con man are based on a scam structure where a CON-fidence MAN gains your confidence by delivering on several smaller but ever increasing tasks/investments and then has the big ask at the end which is ultimately the con.

I'm not saying that's what is happening here but I am saying that it certainly doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy when I see the structure of this.

They should deliver the fully funded game.

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I read what you're say'n...but if the proposals along the way benefit all of the Hive ecosystem, not solely the game they're making, I'm not seeing the connection to your example of a con-man. If the first proposal, as an example, is to build a bridge from one main coin to Hive or even a 2nd level token like LVL, it either works or it doesn't.

Then, if the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th proposals are to do the same thing, and they're built...again, this of course helps the game, but it helps all of Hive, does it not? Here's the folly with your argument: Any business has to gain the confidence of their investors. They do this by showing levels of completion in the project. Legit or not...it's done the same way. What you're describing to me, or explaining to me is not a mindset of an investor, in my opinion. It is the mindset of all or nothing and that's not what presented. I understand you want to see the game released before being willing to vote on a proposal to release funds. By the time the game is released, it'll be too late to provide the RC's. The goal is never to provide a AAA game to the public and have the site shut down because you can't get enough people on...because they can't create accounts fast enough. That's kind of like Coinbase saying, "Let's advertise free bitcoin at the SuperBowl" and then have the site go down in a few seconds because they weren't expecting so many people to come.

Obviously you believe enough in the game to put your own funds at "risk" and I respect that. You've brought to light your concerns. I respect that, too. I've also seen where @psyberx has stated they won't put out any proposals until at least the marketplace is up and live. While some would say that's also a con-man's method...give you a way to buy into a project before the main attraction is released, it's also what all major blockchain games are doing-have a way to buy NFTs before the game is released.

They should deliver the fully funded game.

What good is the game if you have 1,000 people who can play it while the rest of the world can't come in, but by 1-3 per day. That seems silly to me at best.

Good thing is they are opening the Alpha version to people with Founders titles...With a commercial plot, I think I saw your name on that list, you will qualify to play before everyone else in June/July. Maybe then, you'll feel a little more confident. Only time will tell...

You don't gain a person/group's confidence by doing things that benefit just yourself. The confidence game is about benefiting the mark with the small stuff until they trust you enough that you can run off with the big stuff.

And there is no folly in my argument. Go tell a VC you want them to give you money but they can only read your blog and talk to you on discord. Let me know if you get to the part about milestones or how much of your concept is done before they hangup on you.

In the real world we have credit profiles and tax returns and assets to place liens on and lifelong social networks and job histories and school transcripts and government ID's and still most businesses are self funded or if they get investors they are usually family and very close friends until they've actually proven they can make profit.

No one is asking for all or nothing and I'm not even asking for the game to be released publicly before voting to give them these grants. I just want something delivered besides a trailer. Deliver the Alpha version. Prove that they can even make a working game that does even a fraction of what it's supposed to and is fun before we start talking about marketing plans that will blow our minds if we knew them and setting the stage for millions of players or as they put it early on, the biggest blockchain game in history and the game that will revolutionize blockchain gaming and the game that will bring all the best parts of Fortnite and all the best parts of world builders together with NFT's and change gaming as we know it.

Can we at least see an alpha version of that game before we vote to give them millions in value because they proved themselves by building a bridge?

That's all I'm asking.

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Can we at least see an alpha version of that game before we vote to give them millions in value because they proved themselves by building a bridge?

Based on what I've seen, the answer is "yes" lol...that's the great thing about voting. You can ask for anything before you give your vote away...another nice thing about voting-until there is a proposal, there is no vote. I'll be watching for when an a proposal is actually brought forward.

I'll be watching too. Thanks for the chat.

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