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RE: A Fusion Mini-Reactor Exceed The Temperature At The Core Of The Sun

in #science7 years ago (edited)

If anyone is really interested in Cold Fusion they should check out LNER and the many experiments that produced all kinds of elements.

https://edgylabs.com/lenr-cold-fusion

And search for the GlowStick Experiments in LENR, but as to the companies that waste money on this endeavor of HOT Fusion while we have known about the real demonstrable result of cold fusion for 30 years a big Middle Finger that they can spin all of their combined 15 million degrees on.

And a Tsk Tsk on @scisteem for excluding the only viable and SANE energy reaction from the discussion.

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First of all. I don't exclude anything. If I find it to be an interesting topic, I'll write about it.

When it comes to cold fusion, the problem is that I've never seen anybody making something that would be later on replicated either by external scientists or often even by the people claiming to have cracked the puzzle in front of a public audience.

If you give me evidence of real replicable experiments that we can talk cold fusion.

Yes, one of the base principles of the scientific method is that experiments need to be replicable by external scientists. If they aren't, history shows that in the vast majority of cases it is just a fake.

The evidence for hot fusion is the fact that many scientific teams over the world have been capable of getting elements to fuse for decades now. We even have two tokamaks here where I live. They aren't commercially viable, but they are capable of fusion.

And the last part isn't an argument as attacks on character are one of the most common logical fallacies.

Now, this may be a logical fallacy as well, and if it is, I apologize.
You seem to think that I don't like cold fusion or that I wouldn't love for it to be real. I honestly would. But I have just not seen any evidence towards the existence of a sustainable cold fusion reaction existing.
As far as I know, the only real kind of cold fusion is muon-catalyzed fusion, but that requires a constant supply of muons and doesn't produce a self-sustainable reaction. Maybe there is some team that found a way to create self-sustaining muon-catalyzed fusion and if there as that would truly be a revolution in energy production. But until I see evidence for it, made in accordance with the scientific method, I will not be writing about it.

And to your second comment. Yes, I didn't exclude anything. I just found an article that I liked so I wrote about it. That doesn't mean I excluded anything.

I think you are mistaking sustaining itself with being able to produce more energy than we put it.
Sustain itself means that once you get the initial reaction going it produces energy as long as it has fuel. We have been capable of doing that for a pretty decent amount of time. Technically ever since we dropped the first hydrogen bomb.
The problem is that we need to put in more energy to start the reaction than we get out of it in the end. Though I think I've heard of at least one fusion reactor that got more energy out than it put in, but only in a short burst of a reaction.

On the other hand, cold fusion, as far as we know it today, can't sustain itself because you the reaction isn't creating enough energy to create additional reactions.

The link you provided me had 0 scientific articles in it. It was just yeah, we saw a slew of people doing it, but no scientific papers, no real evidence.

In the end, I can't see a way to convince you that cold fusion is currently not a thing. Maybe it will be in the future, but it certainly isn't now.

Give me the link to the open source studies and I'll take them into consideration. So far you've only provided me with essentially marketing posts.

I'm not advocating for fusion energy if you don't understand that. I'm just writing about cool shit I find.