More on Why we Suffocate on Mars... And it's solutions...

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This is the second part of our series on mars. I've made this post easy for you so you won't have to read the earlier post, but just in case, here is the link to why we suffocate on mars... and possible solutions.

In the last post, we talked about the very thin atmosphere that mars has on it. We saw that it is currently lethal and it has to be changed if humans are ever planning to live there. Some of our questions were left unanswered. I'll try to advance further into our discussion about terraforming our new planet, and I'll try to answer our questions from the old post.

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When Elon Musk was asked about the risks of the journey to mars, he kind of treated the question as if it was not a problem at all. And although space agencies are worried about it, there might just be a way out. Without protection from the radiation from sun, the risk of death by cancer increases to about 5%. This risk can be decreased a lot and we are working on it. What we worry about, is our bones being weakened by prolonged exposure to zero gravity. The journey will last anywhere between seven to ten months. We seriously need to find a solution to this problem. Although exercise helps a bit, it won't solve the problem completely.

Now about being on mars - All the time, our sun throws out charged, magnetized particles at high speeds, we call this the solar wind. The solar wind particles rip off a planet’s atmosphere by striking the molecules in there and shooting them into space. For a planet like earth, the magnetic field acts as a protective layer. But a planet like mars which lacks a powerful magnetic field loses the gas molecules that form its atmosphere. Currently, this rate is about 100 grams per second. And if we make some easy calculations, mars is currently losing 1000 grams or 1 kg of its atmosphere every 10 seconds. And it is also throwing out gases from its crust, hence maintaining a very low atmospheric pressure of about 0.6 kPa on its surface.

This is a huge loss to us. If we are to live there, we need that atmosphere to stay on mars and not be lost in space. This would make the planet more habitable. Let's see more about this.

Let's take the case of our earth. The gases in the atmosphere have some mass. This results in some force between these gases and our earth due to gravity. This force, per unit area of earth, gives us the atmospheric pressure. Simply put, more the amount of gases, more their mass, and hence, more the atmospheric pressure.

We are evolved for higher atmospheric pressures of about 100 kPa. Atmospheric pressure below 6.3 kPa (called the Armstrong limit) is lethal for us. Right now, on mars, it is 0.6 kPa. We won't last half a minute without a pressure suit protecting us.

As of now, we don't have a clear solution to this problem. We only have ideas that we can work on so we could eventually, in near future, solve this problem.

As @applelex and I talked about in last post, a quick fix suggested by Elon Musk is bombing the atmosphere above both the poles of mars. We really are unbelievable when it comes to our ability to create weapons. We actually used our knowledge about a nucleus to make nuclear weapons, knowing it could destroy life as well as future generations. And we didn't stop there. We now have improvised these weapons into what is called the thermonuclear weapons.

These devices have two to three nuclear explosions in a single weapon, one explosion triggering the next. BUT in defense of the nuclear fusion process, the energy yield is much higher with lesser radioactive damage compared to the old nuclear fission process used in our nuclear power stations. That is relatively cleaner energy. I mean the process, not the bomb, which is a man-made disaster, awaiting a nod from leaders with questionable intentions. Do we still count as the smartest animals on earth?

Anyways, nuclear fusion process (two atoms join to make one atom) is much more powerful and yet a cleaner process compared to nuclear fission (one atom breaks into two). Power stations using nuclear fusion are on their way. Yes, I guess we thought of weapons first and power stations later. Anyways, these are the weapons Elon Musk has suggested for heating up the entire planet. Can you imagine their power?

Good news is that it would be up to the people living on mars to make the choice. These bombs would be used to create an atmosphere instead of destroying it, as would happen on earth. Byproducts of nuclear fusion last only a few months, and most of the radiation will be lost in space, but it is still very risky. It is first a nuclear fission explosion that triggers the second nuclear fusion explosion. Let's see the consequences.

Mars has ice on it, which is basically frozen water and carbon dioxide. When it is summer on mars, this carbon dioxide ice gets vaporized, and hence forms some atmosphere on mars, but as summer ends, temperature drops and the carbon dioxide is frozen to ice again. To avoid this, Elon Musk is suggesting warming the planet permanently. The thermonuclear bombs would act like two little suns on both sides of the planet. This would melt the CO2 ice as well as water ice. It would also increase the temperature of the planet by 4 ⁰C. And it would increase the atmospheric pressure on the planet's surface, hence making it more habitable... or so he says.

One possible disadvantage is that the poles have water in the form of ice as well. What if the water molecules break into hydrogen and oxygen molecules, and hydrogen being light, escapes the atmosphere of mars, this might happen more easily due to the solar wind. We'd only be left with oxygen. Good news is we might be able to breathe there. Or the carbon dioxide combines with water to give carbonic acid (H2CO3), which might turn out to be stable in mars' environment, since there is much less water already. No good news here. We could lose a lot of water, and air as well. And whatever water would be left might get contaminated by the radiation from the bombs.

Another solution is to give mars a protective magnetic shield. This is not possible anytime soon, but very possible in near future. Yes, the shield will always stay between the sun and mars. This also means mars and the shield will be orbiting the sun together. And also, we can always draw a straight line between sun, our shield, and mars. I’m stressing this to show that the planet will always be shielded. We call such an orbit the L1 orbit of the planet. But is it okay to rely on a shield to spend a lifetime on an otherwise harmful place? Not like we don’t do that on earth, but we are evolved for this environment since millions of years. We aren’t evolved for mars!

Most important fact I need to mention is, at lower pressures, water boils at lower temperatures. This I've explained very clearly for you in the last post. And as @erlendgroseth pointed out, we can't even get a cup of hot coffee on Mount Everest, water boils at about 71 ⁰C there. Forget about having it on mars without an air tight room at 100 kPa pressure. One more good reason not to be there... yet. At least as long as the planet is lethal.

There are so many references, but I sorted out some for you. Feel free to check these out for more information.

  1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming_of_Mars
  2. http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/phenomena/earths-magnetosphere
  3. https://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2005/mgs_plates.html
  4. http://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/V2050/pdf/8250.pdf
  5. https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/07/15/ask-ethan-is-it-foolishness-to-dream-of-terraforming-mars/
  6. https://www.space.com/31044-mars-terraforming-nasa-maven-mission.html
  7. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/real-martians-how-to-protect-astronauts-from-space-radiation-on-mars
  8. https://www.nasa.gov/hrp/bodyinspace
  9. https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/1_NAC_HEO_SMD_Committee_Mars_Radiation_Intro_2015April7_Final_TAGGED.pdf
  10. https://phys.org/news/2017-03-nasa-magnetic-shield-mars-atmosphere.html

See you soon, take care.

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We must fix the problems we have on earth first. I am suffocating here. 😅

We all are suffocating here. Most of us work on fixing earth, and it's just a handful of us who have different solutions to the same problem.

It may make sense to get a space economy going before attempting to reach Mars. We should start with seriously looking into whether using nukes to knock a near-earth asteroid into orbit around earth. From there we can start mining them out into hollow shells that we set spinning to mimic gravity, and build habitation chambers inside of.

Radiation is a big problem for spacecraft that require the ability to escape a planet's gravity well - a craft constructed in orbit using raw materials mined and refined in orbit could be shielded from radiation it would be exposed to in interplanetary space. It could also be made larger, and spun around its own axis to deal with the problems brought on from spending too long in zero-G. If such a craft were to attempt re-entry, it would obviously be a one-way trip - but that's what shuttles are for.

IMHO, it would be an act of futility to attempt to establish a colony on Mars while relying on spacecraft that are supposed to make the round trip journey, planetary surface to planetary surface due to weight constraints. Right now the focus should really be on establishing an industrial base in orbit ASAP.

On the note of nuclear fusion, there may be a use for fusion other than weapons and energy generation: reaction drives for spacecraft. This could solve the issue of needing to carry enough fuel, since deuterium and tritium are orders of magnitude more energy dense - and it might even open the door to the eventual creation of relativistic craft such as a Bussard Ramjet.

I just read about the Bussard Ramjet. And I agree, an industrial base does make more sense than living on mars @ashaman. Would the He-3 to He-3 fusion be more feasible instead of using deuterium and tritium. Since we are already working on that with our mining the moon plans. These topics are just for knowledge, I really don't think mars can be made habitable even in near future.

You're thinking of Deuterium-He3 fusion. It produces less energy than D-D, but the reaction is aneutronic - all the byproducts are charged particles (allowing for the possibility of direct conversion to electricity which may be more efficient than thermal conversion), no neutrons. My understanding is that a D-He3 reaction would have a higher activation ebergy.
As far as maximizing energy production, afaik a deuterium-tritium reaction his the sweet spot, producing significantly (a factor of 3 or 4?) more energy than a D-D reaction. Theoretically, we can breed tritium from lithium in a D-D reactor - this is one of the things being investigated at ITER.

Personally, I think we're about as likely to terraform Mars as we are Venus - although its 2 moons could be ideal to hollow out and transform into floating cities - or even interstellar spacecraft (multi-generation craft if we can't figure out how to build a relativistic one).

If you want to explore such concepts (among many others) more in depth, check out Night's Dawn and the Greg Mandel trilogy by Peter F. Hamilton and Revelation Space by Alastair Renolds.

I am not much into atomic physics right now, so I don't read books on it. I just google any questions I have. This is where I heard of the He-3 to He-3 fusion which consumes 1 kW to give 1mW of power, and hence it's not feasible as of now, but CERN is working on it. https://www.technologyreview.com/s/408558/mining-the-moon/amp/

I was suggesting scifi novels, not books on physics.

Damn, lol. I have exams now. I'll enjoy the novels once I'm free.

I believe you're thinking of Deuterium-He3 fusion. It produces less energy than D-D, but the reaction is aneutronic - all the byproducts are charged particles (allowing for the possibility of direct conversion to electricity which may be more efficient than thermal conversion), no neutrons. My understanding is that a D-He3 reaction would have a higher activation ebergy.
As far as maximizing energy production, afaik a deuterium-tritium reaction his the sweet spot, producing significantly (a factor of 3 or 4?) more energy than a D-D reaction. Theoretically, we can breed tritium from lithium in a D-D reactor - this is one of the things being investigated at ITER.

Personally, I think we're about as likely to terraform Mars as we are Venus - although its 2 moons could be ideal to hollow out and transform into floating cities - or even interstellar spacecraft (multi-generation craft if we can't figure out how to build a relativistic one).

If you want to explore such concepts (among many others) more in depth, check out Night's Dawn and the Greg Mandel trilogy by Peter F. Hamilton and Revelation Space by Alastair Renolds.

It's such a crazy idea that might just work. What next, intergalactic spaceships propelled by hydrogen bombs? ;)

Thanks for the post and very nice

Love the creativity! best wishes.