The Space Power Facility at NASA Glenn Research Center's Plum Brook Station in Sandusky, Ohio, houses the world's largest vacuum chamber. It measures 100 feet in diameter and is a towering 122 feet tall.
Get a rope.
Attach the rope to the top of the vacuum chamber....122 foot up. Stick the EM drive in a container...seal it tight. Lift the container containing the drive with the rope about ten foot off the floor...a pendulum.
Close the door, pump out the air, turn on the drive.
If the rope moves away from vertical..the drive works.
If not..then it don't.
Until there are some reasonable simple tests done on this drive, I remain skeptical. I don't expect it to actually work, but am certainly open to being pleasantly surprised. Anyway, it needs to be tested, it hasn't been adequately, so people are getting excited way too early.
I'm not far off here. I'm skeptical until we can see that it's actually 'working' versus being caused by something else or an error, especially with the current forces being tiny. It's not as 'grabby' an article to write about though from the skeptic point of view...which I did try to provide a view point for.
I merely want to follow the followup experiments, whether it be in a the vacuum chamber everitt mentioned (which I'm curious the effect gravity might have) and/or in space/zero-gravity.
I learned about the EM drive earlier this year and I came up with the idea that a cloud of chaotic electrons around matter causes gravity through an equilibrium effect mathematically the same as surface tension. My hypothesis is that all motion against gravity is caused by a specific nanostructured electron motion - similar to magnetism but not toroidal, it is like little bubbles. Heat engines make propulsion first by the chaotic motion during the reaction of electrons. The EM drive works by creating this chaotic structure without using a chemical reaction, with only magnetic fields at very high rates of oscillation, higher than cosmic rays.
The ideas of materialist physics has another hit, in its inevitable decline to the rubbish heap. Everything they teach in today's physics class is wrong. Demonstrably wrong. Backed by bad tests that were fraudulent, but accepted as gospel.
While I can get what you're saying in the sense of there are things 'behind the curtain' of what is being taught in classes, the things they do teach do hold within certain areas. For example Newtonian physics work extremely well until thing get too massive or fast/energetic with even relativity and quantum mechanics models breaking down in black holes.
I don't know if we could necessarily call things 'wrong' as much as not fully generalized to all situations. There's always going to be that next thing for us to detect, model, and ideally understand.
Lets consider that the scientists of yore lied about gravity.
That the one guy, in his barn, didn't actually figure out the gravitational constant.
That there is no such thing.
That what we are held to the ground by is a constant flow of aether downward.
If you take that, then newtonian physics only works in a small space between heaven and earth at low velocities relative to earth. And, it is only an approximation at that.
So, if it is aether, and not mass, then we have a faulty understanding from the ground up. And we will never become more advanced. I have questioned all of the foundations of "modern" physics and found them lacking. As in, they do not hold up to scrutiny or to data.
Here is a better example. Imagine a device that will protect a house in times of war.
You take this box, plug it into the wall, and when the bombs drop near your house, they just go thud. No BOOOM.
What will you think about Newtonian physics then? This device is already in the works.
Again, The laws of physics are just fine. What they teach in physics class is wrong.
This is great but it doesn't really defy the laws of physics The real problem is that we don't really know what set of laws make it tick. It's also possible that it's pointing the way to new physics.
To a large degree it's the researchers themselves that are saying that it's not actually ejecting anything for thrust, with the microwaves more just being contained within the chamber itself. I can agree with you though, that it something actually works, it's not defying physics, more just challenging our current understanding of it.
We still have to see if this is the case or if there was some error involved. They are talking of trying to get a space test in place in the future that might help shed some light on it.
There was a really solid paper not too long ago that explained it as possibly inducing a standing wave in the adjacent molecules. Basically the "thrust" then is the surrounding air pushing on it like a colon.
I'm excited to see the results from space, because if it works in space then that theory is tossed.
It would definitely be pretty cool if the theory involved does hold when scaled up into larger tests. I've watched solar sail uses for a long time, but this would be a whole new ball of wax to get around the 'carrying fuel' problem.
And it'd be sweet to actually hear someday say 'engage warp drive' should it lead to that. lol
Interesante artículo: Un poco de información en español. EmDrive (también propulsor de cavidad resonante RF) es un motor inventado por el ingeniero británico Roger Shawyer, fundador de la compañía Satellite Propulsion Research Ltd (SPR) en el año 2000 para desarrollar su proyecto.1 2 El motor usa un magnetrón para producir microondas que son dirigidas a un recipiente metálico, cónico, completamente cerrado y capaz de aislar la radiación funcionando como una cavidad resonante. Este recipiente tendría forma de cono truncado por dos caras, una cara mayor por donde se produciría el empuje y una cara menor donde se encontraría un resonador dieléctrico. El aparato requeriría una fuente de energía eléctrica para producir las microondas que se reflejan en el interior pero no tiene ninguna parte móvil ni requiere ningún propelente. Si se comprueba que esta tecnología funciona, podría usarse para propulsar vehículos en cualquier forma de viaje, incluyendo transporte terrestre, marítimo, submarino, aéreo y espacial. https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmDrive
The Space Power Facility at NASA Glenn Research Center's Plum Brook Station in Sandusky, Ohio, houses the world's largest vacuum chamber. It measures 100 feet in diameter and is a towering 122 feet tall.
Get a rope.
Attach the rope to the top of the vacuum chamber....122 foot up. Stick the EM drive in a container...seal it tight. Lift the container containing the drive with the rope about ten foot off the floor...a pendulum.
Close the door, pump out the air, turn on the drive.
If the rope moves away from vertical..the drive works.
If not..then it don't.
Until there are some reasonable simple tests done on this drive, I remain skeptical. I don't expect it to actually work, but am certainly open to being pleasantly surprised. Anyway, it needs to be tested, it hasn't been adequately, so people are getting excited way too early.
I'm not far off here. I'm skeptical until we can see that it's actually 'working' versus being caused by something else or an error, especially with the current forces being tiny. It's not as 'grabby' an article to write about though from the skeptic point of view...which I did try to provide a view point for.
I merely want to follow the followup experiments, whether it be in a the vacuum chamber everitt mentioned (which I'm curious the effect gravity might have) and/or in space/zero-gravity.
you may want to check homemade builds:
Lol! Yes! Beep Beep
I learned about the EM drive earlier this year and I came up with the idea that a cloud of chaotic electrons around matter causes gravity through an equilibrium effect mathematically the same as surface tension. My hypothesis is that all motion against gravity is caused by a specific nanostructured electron motion - similar to magnetism but not toroidal, it is like little bubbles. Heat engines make propulsion first by the chaotic motion during the reaction of electrons. The EM drive works by creating this chaotic structure without using a chemical reaction, with only magnetic fields at very high rates of oscillation, higher than cosmic rays.
That's interesting! I can follow what you're saying...I've got to think on that one.
The laws of physics are just fine.
The ideas of materialist physics has another hit, in its inevitable decline to the rubbish heap. Everything they teach in today's physics class is wrong. Demonstrably wrong. Backed by bad tests that were fraudulent, but accepted as gospel.
imho, they cannot die soon enough.
While I can get what you're saying in the sense of there are things 'behind the curtain' of what is being taught in classes, the things they do teach do hold within certain areas. For example Newtonian physics work extremely well until thing get too massive or fast/energetic with even relativity and quantum mechanics models breaking down in black holes.
I don't know if we could necessarily call things 'wrong' as much as not fully generalized to all situations. There's always going to be that next thing for us to detect, model, and ideally understand.
Lets consider that the scientists of yore lied about gravity.
That the one guy, in his barn, didn't actually figure out the gravitational constant.
That there is no such thing.
That what we are held to the ground by is a constant flow of aether downward.
If you take that, then newtonian physics only works in a small space between heaven and earth at low velocities relative to earth. And, it is only an approximation at that.
So, if it is aether, and not mass, then we have a faulty understanding from the ground up. And we will never become more advanced. I have questioned all of the foundations of "modern" physics and found them lacking. As in, they do not hold up to scrutiny or to data.
Here is a better example. Imagine a device that will protect a house in times of war.
You take this box, plug it into the wall, and when the bombs drop near your house, they just go thud. No BOOOM.
What will you think about Newtonian physics then? This device is already in the works.
Again, The laws of physics are just fine. What they teach in physics class is wrong.
This is great but it doesn't really defy the laws of physics The real problem is that we don't really know what set of laws make it tick. It's also possible that it's pointing the way to new physics.
To a large degree it's the researchers themselves that are saying that it's not actually ejecting anything for thrust, with the microwaves more just being contained within the chamber itself. I can agree with you though, that it something actually works, it's not defying physics, more just challenging our current understanding of it.
We still have to see if this is the case or if there was some error involved. They are talking of trying to get a space test in place in the future that might help shed some light on it.
There was a really solid paper not too long ago that explained it as possibly inducing a standing wave in the adjacent molecules. Basically the "thrust" then is the surrounding air pushing on it like a colon.
I'm excited to see the results from space, because if it works in space then that theory is tossed.
I hope they can build these EM drives at large scale. We are still learning everyday!
It would definitely be pretty cool if the theory involved does hold when scaled up into larger tests. I've watched solar sail uses for a long time, but this would be a whole new ball of wax to get around the 'carrying fuel' problem.
And it'd be sweet to actually hear someday say 'engage warp drive' should it lead to that. lol
Get one of those and come visit me with a pizza for Christmas lol
I just put up a post about Consumerism a min. ago -- hoping you don't need to do that in order to get that rocket
(:
Interesante artículo: Un poco de información en español. EmDrive (también propulsor de cavidad resonante RF) es un motor inventado por el ingeniero británico Roger Shawyer, fundador de la compañía Satellite Propulsion Research Ltd (SPR) en el año 2000 para desarrollar su proyecto.1 2 El motor usa un magnetrón para producir microondas que son dirigidas a un recipiente metálico, cónico, completamente cerrado y capaz de aislar la radiación funcionando como una cavidad resonante. Este recipiente tendría forma de cono truncado por dos caras, una cara mayor por donde se produciría el empuje y una cara menor donde se encontraría un resonador dieléctrico. El aparato requeriría una fuente de energía eléctrica para producir las microondas que se reflejan en el interior pero no tiene ninguna parte móvil ni requiere ningún propelente. Si se comprueba que esta tecnología funciona, podría usarse para propulsar vehículos en cualquier forma de viaje, incluyendo transporte terrestre, marítimo, submarino, aéreo y espacial.
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/EmDrive
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