我相信有些人買讚的原因是因為要衝名聲。名聲基本上只要衝上去，就很難或掉下來。除非一直有發文、留言，被等級更高的人點爛。名聲等級設定是取原本名聲點數的對數和一些計算，會讓名聲等級遇上去要越多的名聲點數，成一個等比級數變化。
在發文(評論)者的當前收益為零，點爛要降低別人名聲，要達成點爛人的名聲>0且>被點爛人的名聲。受到這設定影響，是造成我買讚衝名聲的原因之一。因為會有一種受制於人的威脅感。在此我想提出幾個建議，希望能改變這種狀況。
一、點讚代表同意某篇文章的觀點，也提高一篇文章、留言的能見度。除了能得到策展者獎勵SP，應該也要有名聲點數。而點爛沒有名聲點數。我建議給點讚人、作者比 0.25:0.75的名聲點數，在HF21後也一樣。這也能激勵人們好好點讚優文。
二、因為上述此點，得到名聲點數會更容易，我就也提出一個仿生的機制來平衡，讓名聲值更貼近現實。名聲值應該隨著時間逐漸減少，且名聲等級越高，減少越多。例如25級不掉，26級每天掉1點，26級每天掉2點之類。我想用等差級數，不過不知道這對新手會不會太多，對老手太少，可以大家討論看看掉名聲要用什麼公式。
這麼一來，如果想光要靠買讚提高名聲的，就要一直持續買才能維持，如果真有人這麼做，也能增加steem的需求😊
三、改成名聲低的點爛名聲高的也可以降名聲，但是掉比較少，我提議差X級，效果為1/[10^(1/9)]^X 高等級點爛低等級的，效果沒加成，維持一樣。
以上的建議，公式、數字都歡迎討論應該怎麼改比較恰當。
Some people buy votes, I believe one of the reasons is to gain the reputation. Basically, once the reputation go up, it's hard to decrease. Unless the person keeps posting, leaving comments, and always get downvote by people with higher reputation.
The reputation level= [log(reputation points)-9]*9+25, it gets harder to elevate to a higher level. Takes about 30% of current reputation points to get to next level.
When the reward of a post/comment is zero, it needs to meet that the reputation of the downvoter>0, and >the author's reputation. Affected by this, I buy votes to elevate my reputation. Cos I feel a threaten from people with higher reputation then me, and I can't take control of it. So I bring up some suggestion, hope to change the situation.
Upvote means agree with the post/comment, and promote the post/comment by the way. Besides the curation reward, the votes should also gain reputation. And the downvotes gets nothing. I suggest to give the reputation to upvoters and the author by the ratio of 0.25:0.75, same after the HF21. This can also encourage people to upvote good articles and reward good authors.
Due to this, people gets reputation easier. So I bring up with a biomimetic mechanism to balance this, and also makes it closer to the real society. The reputation should automatically declines by time. And it should drop quicker at a higher reputation level. E.g. no change in level 25, drop 1 reputation score each day in level 25, 2 per day in level 26... Anyway, I don't have a clear concept of how much a reputation score it needs, so I don't know if it is too much for a newbie and too insignificant to someone with high reputation. The formula is open for discussion.
Then in this case, if someone buy votes to gain reputation, he/she needs to keep buying to maintain, if he/she do so, it increase the demand of steem😊Enable to lower the author's reputation when a downvoter has less reputation then the author. But should reduce the effect of the downvote. I suggest if the level difference # Header 1is lower by X, the decreased reputation of normal condition should be 1/[10^(1/9)]^X
And if the downvoter has higher reputation, keeps the same, no additional effect.
The number, formula above are open for discussion to make it proper.
Great idea. I especially like that it encourage people to upvote the positive rather than downvote the negative.
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Downvote the people who buy votes though. Bid bot abuse shouldn't be supported.
That's up to you. I don't support that course of action, however.
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Why do you not support the action? We are in a zero-sum rewards game, and rather than seeking readers, people abuse bots for personal gain at the expense of others, often getting obscene payouts for spam and plagiarism. That needs to be discouraged by someone, and Steemit Inc. isn't doing anything at a corporate level.
Because every vote I spend negatively results in one person who isn't rewarded for their contribution. My philosophy is to reward as many deserving people as possible. Therefore, downvotes aren't an option for me.
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That is allegedly changing with this next fork, and besides, removing ill-gotten gains rewards the entire remaining reward pool
Not if someone was never upvoted because a downvote was made with that VP instead
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no you are doing nothing but creating a bad rep for yourselves buying votes! Quit while your ahead, you already got enough! Don’t teach bad habits to your friends, we don’t like it!
Who made you the steemit authority? Sone bought votes, shallow and it will catch up to you in the end! No-one will remember the guy that just bought the votes to spread untruths! In my eyes your rep is tainted already, numbers don’t matter to me!
Go back to your true pecking order wherever that may be, nobody knows, lol☝️
I’ve been here longer than you, I should know!
step off!
Not entirely sure how I endorsed buying votes to spread lies but your criticism is noted.
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k Duly noted!
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Not sure how my comment was negative enough to deserve a downvote but fair enough.
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Upvoted to counter the annoying trolls
The more your reputation increases due to due to using bid-bots to upvote total shit, the more your reputation changes from good to bad as it gets higher.
Try to imagine somemone who bid bots shit posts to trending for a minute if you can. The community think they have a reputation as an absolute wanker.
Reputations can be good or bad regardless of the numbers.
How many do you think people know where the reputation from? Even those who don't buy one time bid-bots, may still use long term upvote service. That's hard to judge. So my suggestion is try to motive people to vote for good posts and earn the reputation by the way, and may use less bid-bots.
People with Stake know.
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這話由起始者說很可笑。我是和平主義者，不過你要戰，我奉陪。有種就讓這對決只在john371911和joshman之間，不要用疑似屁眼交易找人幫忙或哭著找媽媽啊。
The retaliation game. Are my posts abusing bid bots? I think not.
Think @john371911 is going to be the perfect test-case for HF21. Retaliating bidbot abuser who calls in bid-bots on scot-tribe tagged posts.
Tried to attenuate his down-votes a bit, think we can only beat this type of abuse if take up voting retaliation down votes as serious as down voting, even after HF21.
I'm looking forward to the free downvotes too😊
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What do you mean by this? What attack do you want to start? I didn't fight you and I don't want to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Math
Mathematics
Mathematics (from Greek μάθημα máthēma, "knowledge, study, learning") includes the study of such topics as quantity (number theory), structure (algebra), space (geometry), and change (mathematical analysis). It has no generally accepted definition.Mathematicians seek and use patterns to formulate new conjectures; they resolve the truth or falsity of conjectures by mathematical proof. When mathematical structures are good models of real phenomena, then mathematical reasoning can provide insight or predictions about nature. Through the use of abstraction and logic, mathematics developed from counting, calculation, measurement, and the systematic study of the shapes and motions of physical objects.
I agree. He's going scorched earth thinking he can chase people away. It's going to have the opposite effect.
你有自讚啊。這和我買讚就某種程度上是相同意義，甚至我還好一些，我買讚能促進steem需求。
再說我有以牙還牙，以眼還眼的原則。
Bid bots made a questionable reputation. I think using bid bots for few times is good but frequent using is a bad habit, a rat poison in the room. I believe on sayings that your network is your network. People who connects on people make the best ROI. Cheers everyone
Interesting thoughts on Reputation, I just find this post to be over rewarded.
DV. Keep posting.
我感觉现在的声望等级没多少实际意义。如果账户里的sp够多，声望低一些又有什么关系呢。
的確，大部分只是因為心情。不過要是未來再有以名聲作為空頭的量的影響因子，實質上就有差了。另外，名聲等級具有威嚇力，你要是有參戰過點爛大戰可能就會有感覺了。
You could have the best rep in the world, still wont stop me from flagging it up, and the comments too! How long will that last, you are my latest #greedy #beany #baby! lol thanks for this post, i needed that! Only going to get worse for you from here if this trend continues! Have a nice day!
——-de-@coininstant!
It is hard to earn 1 reputation score these days.
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Your post was mentioned in the Steem Hit Parade in the following category:
A Hit Parade for bid-bot abusers that combine bid-bot usage with Scot-tribe tags and retaliate on corrective down votes? Great. Maybe you could add a "bidbot share", "tribe/dapp-tag usage" and "retaliation count" column to your Hit Parade, that should prove really useful after HF21.
Hey, thanks for the heals!
好像什么的没明白有些什么实际意义
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打错字，不是<什么的>，是真的
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你可以編輯😑
额，我当时没想到
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從動機分析，改變人們使用買讚機器人的行為，並把名聲制度改得更合理化。
名声，跟机器人挂钩是可以的，但会把系统搞得过度复杂
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如果綜合起來整體會有更好的使用者體驗，我覺得還是值得試試。我覺得目前steem還很多可以改進的，雖然是不是改進不一定，但可以試看看。不然就是讓scot先試😊
同意，我仔细看了一下帖子，是不是一种reputation太简单了，没法区分你说的几种情况，其实可以分类，分为几种（需要分析reputation是如何积累的，其中可以包括time weighted），然后这几种综合加起来等于一个单一数字的reuptation。
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