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RE: SPS Governance Proposal - Bring Brackets to Modern

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I actually just updated it to make a smoother progression in champ while trying to address some of the concerns. The minimum card levels are not really negotiable as people have proven time and time again that if there's any room to exploit the system, they're going to use it. We've had people use low level accounts to essentially flood the pool and poach rewards by only playing against themselves, we've had people trade cards between accounts to take multiple leaderboard spots, we've had people use the market to buy/sell cards to circumvent the cooldown put into place to prevent the card swapping and many other things. Essentially top stakeholders will not let us go backwards and recreate old problems. Hopefully that helps you understand why they are there.

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okay that makes sense then. It does look a lot better with the update now. Thanks for the transparency.

The minimum card levels are not really negotiable as people have proven time and time again that if there's any room to exploit the system

then in this case, is it possible to copy the tournament system where they need a certain amount of cp of modern set to participate?

because even if this passes. let's say low level accounts just rent few max lvel summoner and 1 monster / neutral from each element and fight each other. It's still the same thing

CP doesn't really work anymore (if it ever did). Black Foils more or less threw CP out the window, even for tournaments. We used to be able to gate tournaments with CP because you could just do RF and GF. GF basically just had way higher CP than RF. With BF you can't even really make it work anymore because you'd either have to set the threshold so high that GF would struggle to qualify with a max deck or you'd have to exclude BF CP.

Why we change at all? Current modern league has already solved these issues.

Vote no if you'd like to do so.

Let's just ban the people who abuse the system. Why penalize players like me who can't afford to buy higher level cards?

So this actually couldn't be further from the truth in your case specifically and I'm going to show you why. I just pulled your data and know exactly how much SPS you're earning and how many matches you've won in modern this year. You're not very active, but if you were and you were renting/staking enough SPS to do what you're doing right now, you're earning about 0.9 SPS per win. That said for the majority of your matches you're earning less than 0.1 and you aren't very active, but anyway let's look at what this proposal would mean for you specifically with the cards you have right now.

You could comfortably play in bronze and if you're good you could maybe hang out in silver, but you'd hit higher level cards probably.

If you're active (using your daily energy) and winning regularly (at least 50%) with bracket appropriate SPS stake/rent, this is what I'd expect to happen for you personally while playing in modern:
In one season in bronze you'd earn about 2x the SPS in one season that you've earned all year so far in Modern.
If you can hang in Silver and keep up, you'd earn roughly 5-6x the amount of SPS in one season that you've earned all year so far in Modern.

So let me ask you a question in return:
Where did this question come from and what makes you think this would penalize you personally?
You're quite literally the perfect example of someone that this proposal should massively benefit.

Can't people do these exploits with maxed cards too? I don't see how specific card level affects ANY of the 'exploits' you mention, and how allowing lower level cards in champ can be exploited more (again with the things you outline) than max level cards.
I love the proposal, it's YEARS overdue, but the level restrictions in champ are a bit much. I can't afford to buy a full deck right out of the gates anymore, and slowly build over time. If I buy a single bcx L I'd be pissed if I was not allowed to use it in champ.

Well Jimmy, the level restrictions are the compromise it takes for this to have any chance at passing. Arguably yes you could do the same behaviors with max level cards, but at that point the cost to do so is quite prohibitive in its own right. I did lower the Champ minimum levels from Max only to be a bit softer, but I can only push things so far before the proposal receives massive downvotes that will force it to fail. Maybe we can further soften and adjust things in the future. Maybe when a new reward set is released we can have amendments to grant them amnesty for certain amounts of times, but even if you guys aren't aware... I've been broaching this topic and trying to find a path forward for quite some time. This is the closest I've ever gotten and it's only because of the bracket system and the minimum card requirements. Without those "leagues" were never coming back. I don't think this is perfect, but I do think it's much better than what we've got right now, even if it means I personally will probably have to drop back to Diamond.