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RE: Would Mass Adoption Make Steem More Equal?

in #steem5 years ago

The logic of all that sounds fine and hopefully these things will come true. The problem is that as Steem is diluted by more and more users, it becomes more and more difficult to earn a piece of the reward pie.

In the past, we had a very few early adopters who spread their votes to a very few others and everyone grew together. Then more people jumped on board and the votes from the very early adopters became more difficult to get unless you were one of the ones already getting votes. Voting circles formed where those with high SP voted for each other to get the best bang for their votes. I'm sure a lot of this continues today. There were some who wanted to grow the platform and actively assisted the newcomers by finding and voting for them.

Then a whole bunch of people from countries where earning a USD meant a lot to them flooded onto Steem. This greatly diluted the reward pool and people struggled to earn any votes at all because their content just wasn't being found. Those with lots of Steem saw this and capitalized on it by creating vote bots that were supposed to help you grow. In actual fact, these bots simply took your hard-earned Steem and gave you back roughly what you paid out but pocketed the curation reward at your expense. They grew exponentially bigger while you stayed at the bottom.

So now we reach our current time where all crypto-currencies are suffering from low values. If you believe the price of crypto's will bounce back, then you better BUY some now, because earning it is near impossible under these conditions. Once the prices rise, the opportunity will have been lost. It is when the price of Steem is below $1 that you actually earn the most. As the price of Steem rises over $1, it becomes more and more difficult to make gains.

And finally, if 2 billion people each have on average about 0.25 Steem per person, who is going to give you those big up-votes you need to earn anything decent? If Steem is evenly distributed and there are no whales, there won't be anyone to give you a big vote. Without big votes, you can't earn anything. WHO is going to invest at that time to increase the value of Steem? Just because something is hard to get doesn't necessarily increase its value. There needs to be some OTHER underlying reason to want to own Steem. Steem cannot survive on its own. It needs to have utilitarian value. Steemmonsters is one example of how Steem can be used as real currency. We need more of that. We need a marketplace where Steem is the currency.

I believe in Steem and want it to become a real currency. That is why I started posting a Buy, Sell, Trade page every Tuesday. If you believe in Steem and want to help it grow, you should consider supporting initiatives such as mine so that it gets past the critical tipping point. It requires enough participation so that others feel it is worth also participating in. When hardly anyone uses the page, others feel they won't get the exposure and also stay away. This hump NEEDS to be overcome by individuals that stick through the lean times in order to benefit long term. Until there is enough volume of traders alone, the page will offer self-promotion. This is where you can post links to your articles and hopefully get a few more eyeballs on them. To find my weekly pages, look for the image that says, Promote Yourself.

There is no reason that these weekly pages can't become central hubs where people go to post their own items or go to to see what others have to offer. These pages could become our own little Craig's List of sorts.

It is through real commerce that the price of Steem will be sustained, so why not help make that happen?

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Agreed, and Steem will not just be integrated by other social media networks without 3 important factors:

  1. An Open source initiative to make it plug and play for all websites with very professional step by step tutorials for NON-PROFESSIONAL WEBSITE developers in different languages
  2. A specific plan to get deals done with large corporate social media platforms and hosting services to provide WYSWIG integration, and plug-ins.
  3. the resources and team to do such (designer, developer, marketer, tech writer, a blockchain expert, social media expert, server hosting, project leader and small budget)

Probably could be kicked off in a couple of weeks and alpha out in a 2 months and early adopters could be worked on simultaneous for alpha phase....

Interested in going for funding, I would be willing lend a hand work on the project...

contact me at [email protected] if you want to collaborate.....
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Those three items you mentioned are definitely important for the growth of Steem.
I'm not a programmer, so can't help in that area.
My project doesn't need funding, just active users.

There is the problem. You have to choose between growing the platform (voting for new participants) and rewarding old participants for long term engagement. If you only vote new participants then the old leave and the new replace the old and you don't really grow very much in terms of long term engagement.

People post on Steem and then leave after getting their $2 because why post for years on Steem if it's not a meritocracy? Your long term posting isn't valued. A post which is years old doesn't get you anything.

What you said is very true. That's why Steemit Inc. needs to find other reasons for people to want to own Steem. Using Steem tokens as currency is a good reason.

Sup happyme, very nice lengthy post! I appreciate your comment and I'd like to share my thoughts on yours.

First off, I'd love to check out your project and I definitely will go see what you're doing and how I can help. As for getting people past the tipping point, I fully agree with you. Right now the most effective thing people can do is join some kind of upvote "circle" if you will, a guild, curation trail or stream.

That's actually why @hobo.media is offering a delegation upvote service. The idea is to help people get out of the dustbin and increase their visibility. Its just a curation stream service, if someone delegates 10 SP to @hobo.media they get put on an automatic upvote stream. If you want to have your posts go up by +$0.01 all you have to do is delegate 10 SP and you'll get your own stream activated. Its not a lot, but the idea is that ever bit counts, and I hope others will do it too and more people can get more $0.01 upvotes from people.

So that 0.25 STEEM average would not likely be the real average, probably something more like 0.10 or less. This is because there will always be some whales, but these whales will probably have something like 4000 SP rather than the enormous numbers we see today. In this scenario I would think something around 0.10 SP would give you a $0.01 upvote. So, I'm assuming that the average person would actually all have a $0.01 upvote value. I think that is an ideal number.

Why is it good for everyone to only have a $0.01 upvote value? Because this is more diversified, and it also means that you're not being rewarded by just having some whale buddies, but because you truly have built up a solid fan base. Unlike Youtube and Twitter, people have more incentive to upvote people on Steem, so I expect a better ratio of upvoting from people using Steem than those earlier platforms. So, on Youtube when you see a 100 views to 1 like ratio, as frustrating as that can be I expect that not to happen as much on Steem. So if you get 10,000 views, that's $100, which is not too shabby...

Ultimately, the average Steem user is not going to be a content producer but a content consumer. The content producers will come up with all kinds of ways to incentivize people to buy STEEM and use it to upvote their stuff. People will get Steem accounts and SP because businesses will make them feel their SP is their power to have fun and engage on the network and they will hop in and start participating.

As for the bots subject, well, bots are here to stay. That's just how it will be. @ned is into the idea of upvote bots being the future of advertising, and even before he said that, it was exactly what I was thinking. I realized that the bots are sometimes profitable and sometimes a loss, but the visibility they get you is valuable, which means its an advertising innovation.

How is it an innovation? Simple, when you want your post promoted on Facebook, you give them money and never see that money again regardless if you profited from the exposure or not. When you use upvote bots you usually get all your money back in 7 days, which means you got free visibility while the bot profited. Whether you like the concept or not, this is innovation in the eyes of people trying to sell products and services so its going to be a thing. We can hate it all we want, its happening.

Thanks for the lengthy explanation. I have a few additional thoughts about your reply:

So if you get 10,000 views, that's $100, which is not too shabby...

I don't think even the top bloggers on here get 10,000 views, although the numbers do sound nice. Unlike YouTube, we only get 7 days to attract the viewers. Most posts are almost dead after the 2nd day. With more people blogging, having your post seen gets even more difficult. I don't know what makes you think that things will swing to having most people being consumers of content because what I'm seeing is just the opposite... everyone is so busy trying to write articles to get votes that they have no time for reading.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not arguing one way or the other; I'm just stating my observations and thoughts about what I'm noticing. Everything is subject to change and I hope it does change for the betterment of the platform. On-boarding more people is crucial, but the current situation is not suitable for growth. Things need to be done in order to keep the economy growing. Under the current conditions, on-boarding more people simply dilutes the reward pool so that nobody makes any money worth spending your time for; and like it or not, the current situation is that Steem is just another speculative coin. This is starting to change. However, in order to really make a difference and set Steem apart from other coins, there needs to be a market for tangible products. After all; once the Steem has been distributed, who is going to be selling Steem to the newcomers? How can one buy it if everyone only has a fraction of a Steem? What can I buy for 10 cents worth of Steem? I know... your going to say that the 0.10 Steem will then be worth maybe $100 to $1,000 USD. I wish! And maybe it will be. But I'm pretty sure things will have changed by then.

My guess is that if people knew that they could earn at maximum a vote of 1 cent, they wouldn't stick around very long. It is those curation trails with the big pay-outs that hit you every now and then that keep people excited.

I expect Youtube to eventually have their own SMT, it makes sense to have one off Steem that does everything they want rather than spend time and money building their own. Eventually, people will stop going ICO crazy, probably already happened. At this point, I think most of the blockchains that will exist do exist.

Bold thing for me to say... Why am I confident about that? I'm not saying there won't be any new really awesome blockchains, but I doubt many will come up, and I doubt they will be from huge corporations like Google. The reason is that blockchains have to be a public software, and its just much more logical for these companies to go the ERC20 route. But for social medias, SMT will be ideal and will interact with other sites, providing liquidity.

Tokens meet the needs of most corporations for their gift card type of monies and built-in ecosystems but with none of the hassle of needing to be a cryptographic fortress, that's the blockchain's responsibility. Sweet deal.

Okay, now to respond to your comment about most people being writers, artists and such. Yeah, for now that is true. What I'm thinking here is that the future apps will drive the consumer market. Right now, our community is actually quite small and we do need to bring in a larger audience for it to meet everyone's meritocracy hopes of rewarding people for effort.

Long term, I don't think STEEM will be thought of by anyone as a currency. But Hobo, its called crypto-"currency" man! Yeah, I know, but each crypto coin seems to be used in different ways. Delegation and the inflation-based reward system are the killer applications for Steem but due to that, plus the creation of resource credits, the script has been flipped. Like Ethereum's ether, Steem is more like a fuel. It powers your account to be able to do stuff by utilizing resource credits, and it empowers you to contribute on the network with upvotes that have value and social importance/authority.

As STEEM becomes harder to come by SBD will become more available on the network and people will not be able to earn much STEEM but will get larger amounts of SBD for upvotes. Therefor, the SBD is the cryptocurrency that will likely be used and the STEEM will be utilized. People will buy STEEM for influence or the ability to do cool stuff related to the steem platform.

Ultimately, I think it is very important not to think of Steem as being connected to a social media platform. Steem is meant for being on everyone's personal blog, podcast and the like. Its less of a social network and more of a tool for all social media networks. I expect steemconnect to gradually become hugely popular, the one primarily trusted sign-in. Imagine how revolutionary this is, no more signing up for sites, your Steem account opens all doors and makes you an instant member to any site that coordinates with Steem.

That's an interesting view of the future.

Do you know about Steem Keychain? I prefer that over Steemconnect. It sits in your browser as an extension and removes the need to copy-paste that long key all the time. Log in once and Keychain stores your key in your browser for future use! I love it.

I know of it, I haven't given it a deep enough look yet though.

Dear @hobo.media

Im glad to see how responsive you are buddy. I'm not much into this particular dialog between you guys but Im still impressed :)

Yours
Piotr

It requires enough participation so that others feel it is worth also participating in.

Well said and good call @happyme. I basically agree with you in everything you've highlighted here through your comment. :)

It is through real commerce that the price of Steem will be sustained, so why not help make that happen?

And If after click on the link.. someone doesn't feel in the mood like reading so much for a peaceful weekend, well yeah, over here a shorter summary of that old post. };)

Thank-you. That is a very good video to understand how the economy works.

Thanks to you babe. For giving me the opportunity to complement your wise comment. I'm glad you liked the video. :)

Dear @happyme

Thank you for your amazing comment. Seriously good read.

Yours
Piotr

Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thanks to you for pointing me to that article.

Best comment i've read all day. Sadly, i cannot resteem