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RE: How Steem Became Hive

in #steem4 years ago

All DPoS systems are pretty much centralized. I always had that problem with Steem, and Hive has not solved that. You said it yourself when I checked out your youtube video. DPoS is a problem. It scales the best, but when push comes to shove we're sacrificing decentralization for 3 seconds.

There is a holder that has incredible influence over Steem. Still, before Justin came around how much more influence did Freedom or Smooth or Dan have compared to the average user? These three people have more control over Hive than thousands of people combined. That's not decentralized.

Steem has an asset connected to its brand. When BCH forked off from Bitcoin they sought to take the brand and call themselves the "real Bitcoin" and that's what you are doing now. It wasn't right for them to do that and it isn't right for you to do that. Like I said, if Hive is "Steem" then the witnesses running the blockchain that removed coins stole from those accounts. I know you didn't support that, but you're running it, right?

I understood why BCH forked off and I get why you guys wanted to fork off. I have no problem with the fork having happened and I sincerely hope for the best for Hive. But there is an honorable way to do it and a dishonorable one.

This fork involved alienating large segments of the Steem community, primarily the South Korean community. Is Hive the Steem "community"? Well, the US is about 15% of the community, while the South Korean community makes up about the same amount.

Westerners are more focused on the concept of decentralization for some reason, I assume its the Enlightment history in our culture that they do not have in their culture. Still, they don't seem to have a big concern over the decentralization argument. What will matter to them is a new fork trying to hijack the brand. That's how Bitcoiners felt about BCH, and its a legitimate position.

A new blockchain needs to work on its own brand and grow its own community without going around saying we're the "real one" now. Like any social platform users are free to come and go, but Steem remains Steem. If Hive is the "real Steem" them y'all owe a bunch of people their "STEEM" you took. But I think you don't owe them that "STEEM" because Hive is not Steem.

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All consensus systems have centralization challenges, including PoW and PoS.

more focused on the concept of decentralization for some reason

For some reason? Like, maybe that’s the ENTIRE POINT OF BLOCKCHAIN CONSENSUS security models? It’s tiring dealing with so much ignorance about this technology and what makes it work. I’ve been trying to educate people for over seven years on it. If you don’t understand Byzantine Fault Tolerance, you don’t understand blockchain.

I’m not going to cloud the debate about Hive here due to analogy, but there are some very influential and OG bitcoiners who will privately say BCH is more accurately the original peer to peer digital cash intention of bitcoin and thus deserves the original name. Again, I’m not going to waste energy debating that because it’s clear they lost that battle and unless bitcoin really screws up in the future and does something which clearly centralizes it further (which some believe they will do depending on how the lightning network evolves), then that will not change.

You speak as if it the airdrop criteria was arbitrary. As you said, I didn’t agree with it, it I do understand it. Those who are actively attacking a chain and centralizing it are a threat to the value of that chain. Those who don’t understand blockchain will not understand this. Thaat doesn’t make it any less true.

If you think you understand public blockchains, pleases explain to me how Steem is still a blockchain? Demonstrate the blockchain characteristics it still has according to its DPoS consensus algorithm? I’ve been a technologist since 1996 and I don’t see it.

What I do see is cognitive bias from those who can’t let go and face reality.

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