Dear Bernie:
So out of curiosity, for those of us that already work and use VP to flag spammers, scammers, and the like, I was curious as to what else we can do?
I mean most of us are minnows or red fish (using the arcange system) and dolphins (many with votes sub 0.01) without the ability to really fight the likes of the big perpetrators.
You have many followers like this that fear revenge voting from bigger users that would be willing to help but are unsure and for this my question becomes, why don't you write a post (or get someone else to write one for you) on getting all of those smaller users battle ready... Sure their collective VP won't even touch a whale but ~500 votes spanning an average of 0.08-0.1ish would still be around $50 that will support you (understand that around $30 of that would be held by a select few, and the next 15 would be held by another group, and the last $5 wold be help by over 90% of the followers)
I guess what I am saying is that many users, from red fish (using arcanges system) to dolphins are willing to help make steem better but are more afraid to do something and you, knowing way more about steem than many on here, know enough that you could settle their fear and they would follow you...
For instance, many fear revenge flagging from users such as haejin or jerrybanfield but if there were 500-1000 people flagging a post (even if it were for tiny amounts) then the person getting flagged wouldn't be able to successfully revenge flag everyone back, at high values, without depleting their VP to nothing, and if they did flag someone then the 500+ people could then upvote and rebuild their members that had their rep drop and get depleted.
You have the following in which you could organize into an army... and I know the problem is that getting whales might be a better bang for your buck but I mean if you get enough minnows and dolphins then what are the chances that they might have connections to a whale whom might be willing to lend some voting power (little but still)
You, Berniesanders, have the potential to start a flame that could encourage millions (obvious hyperbole, but like your followers) to join your fight and if you get enough users fully backing you with their support then it only becomes a matter of time before others will reach out to help...
Encourage the minnows and dolphins to all flag together.
Make sure they know that if everyone joins in then revenge flagging will likely be impossible and that even if it happens the community can work together to repair those users.
You, at one point, were one of the largest users for steem/steempower and throughout all of your accounts you still hold a lot of money worth of steem/SBD, and a lot of your followers look up to you to help remove the crap from steemit...
I know I basically spent a lot of this repeating myself but my message holds...
Sincerely,
Kryzsec
Reposting this for @flagawhale since it was hidden by downvote:
"@krysec, one thing you can do to help while not necessarily exposing yourself (or at least minimizing) is joining our discord to help heal others with upvotes. We have a casualty linkdrop channel and a bot that assists by providing metrics in posts. I also plan to develop a programmatic means of pulling casualitiea. Think I just need a list of the enemy accounts. We have a few names so far.
https://discord.gg/23ZPYy
We also regularly post updates on the downvote statistics complete with a quest rank system inline with the mmorpg theme that @fulltimegeek started.
All SBD earned via our posts will be distributed to downvoters to further fuel the fire. Check us out and let me know if you have any suggestions for improvement. Also check out @acavetrollquest updates for casuality updates and other info.
His first post was what got me started. Good shit that we are finally banding together. Glad to be working with yall!"
@krysec, one thing you can do to help while not necessarily exposing yourself (or at least minimizing) is joining our discord to help heal others with upvotes. We have a casualty linkdrop channel and a bot that assists by providing metrics in posts. I also plan to develop a programmatic means of pulling casualitiea. Think I just need a list of the enemy accounts. We have a few names so far.
https://discord.gg/23ZPYy
We also regularly post updates on the downvote statistics complete with a quest rank system inline with the mmorpg theme that @fulltimegeek started.
All SBD earned via our posts will be distributed to downvoters to further fuel the fire. Check us out and let me know if you have any suggestions for improvement. Also check out @acavetrollquest updates for casuality updates and other info.
His first post was what got me started. Good shit that we are finally banding together. Glad to be working with yall!
I will check it out though I can't determine the exact amount of help I will be...
Just downloaded discord, have no idea how to use it.
My ID is kabir88
Add me to the good fight
@kabir88 Open discord, look the left part of the IU look for a circle with a "+" in it, that opens up a a popup asking to create or join a channel, choose join and then paste the discord link in the box, and click the join button
Just tried, said the invite is expired... Can someone send me a new invite?
New invite. We'll be expecting you :)
Sorry, can't see the new invite link. Can you try again? New to discord
@flagawhale that link expired ;)
could you update it pls :)
Here you go. You may let me know your discord to bypass the registration. The bot sometimes acts up.
https://discord.gg/bVKjnHy
thank you :)
This is the big question, and I don't have the answer right now, but I will find it. I don't want anyone to put their accounts at risk if they can't defend themselves.
I will get back with a more detailed response later.
Yeah take your time.
Don't really know the correct way to respond but don't want to be rude
What if instead of spending energy on a war on spammers and crappers we were all spending energy on creating good, valuable content ? Non-violent protest, Mahatma Gandhi or Nelson Mandela style ? Instead of finding ways to stop spam collecting rewards (first by appealing to the morals and integrity of the spammers, then trying to "beat them with a stick"), the third way of trying to drown the spam in valuable content. Producing more useful content than haejin and sweetssj manage to produce rotten content ?
I mean ... many people made fun of Gandhi ... until he won. And many people thought Mandela had no chance to win his fight ... until he won it ...
Well said. I have been doing a bit of both.
Upvoting genuine newbies and flagging people who are just copying and pasting rubbish of the internet.
We need to clean this place up as we have a lot of new people joining.
Well lets just look at steemstem content, I know some information about this one. It works by upvoting good scientific content. Its upvotes is worth roughly $80 at 100%,
Whales ignore it and refuse to help us out
Spammers make $300-$2000 a day
and well, when their motivation is money, they will go with the easy $300 a day over the $10 to $100 that the steemstem trail will offer....
If we leave them to be and have at it the way they are going, they will destroy the reward pool (i.e. rewardpoolrape) and then leave with the 100's of thousands they walked away with while us doing actual work on making a post will walk away with a few hundred to a couple thousand...
Flagging, by the way, is non-violent. It is us disagreeing and allowing or voice to be heard, it is a discussion of voting weight. Does it work perfectly? no, but is sure as shit does way more than doing nothing.
I'm willing to help, I made this account specifically to call out bullshit and scummyness
If you get a list of whales I can tag in posts I'm down