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RE: Why I am still skeptical about Hive: Response to "How Steem Became Hive" by lukestokes

in #steem4 years ago

Thank you for reading my posts and responding with the intention of more open dialogue about these issues.

There are some points you've made that I'd like to clarify from my perspective and get your views one.

And this event, soft fork 22.2, comes, and everything changed.

Not true. Please, you have to understand blockchain technology before you can confidently comment on it.

balances, keys, or security of any accounts on the current chain

v0.22.2:

  • Balances were unchanged
  • Keys were unchanged
  • Security was unchanged (by this, I mean the accounts themselves were not compromised, their keys were not nulled or changed or adjusted in any way that might make the accounts less secure)

Please, don't make false statements, especially during these times. Misinformation causes problems for everyone.

Let alone that there was not a single word of public "community discussion" before the actual fork.

There was a lot of discussion. Just because you were not part of them does not mean they didn't happen. The threat to the chain was real (and proven real but what actually did happen, both with 22.5 and now 22.8888). You say "normal users" but I have to ask you (and please answer honestly), do you think someone with a few hundred Steem Power like you should have the same influence as someone with tens or hundreds of thousands of Steem Power? If your answer is yes, please understand how DPoS actually works and read the book Skin in the Game. The reality is not everyone gets an equal voice and that's part of what secures the chain.

There was no ransom and no theft. Please, read the actual announcement again or any of the posts by the witnesses or token holders who supported v0.22.2. We were acting in the best interests of the value holders to protect the chain. That's our job as witnesses.

When I point this out, some people argued that Steem Inc. stakes are different as there is a "promise" that these stakes should be used in a certain way.

That's because it's the truth. If you're not familiar with the history here, please educate yourself on it. All tokens are not the same. The 80% Steemit owned ninja-mined tokes are the problem. Other users did mine early, yes, but they didn't have pre-knowledge prior to the April 1st announcement nor did they make any claims as to how their stake would be use, like Steemit did.

As to the "lies" blocktrades was not quoted in that article as saying only the steemit inc stake would be left out. That was the reporter's mistaken assumption. I asked Dan about this and asked why he didn't correct the reporter after it was published. He said he's been busy and barely read through it all. Please, hold individuals accountable for their actions, not the entire Hive community. A reporter made an assumption (as I did) about what Hive would exclude. Dan did not correct them. That's it. No lies, just the facts.

They took it to @steem.dao, along with the stakes from the 326 airdrop excluded users' stake, which is under control of the "community", or in fact basically the top Hive witnesses and whales.

Witnesses have no control over this beyond the control they have given to them by DPoS to change the protocol. Token holders elect them accordingly. That's how this works. If you take issue with DPoS, please be specific and recognize this isn't unique to Hive as it's the same system Steem uses and BitShares, EOS, EOSIO chains, etc.

So you guys are taking the ninja-mined stake and using it? LOL.

If you've been paying attention since 2016, this isn't an LOL. This is the entire point of this stake promised to the community. Yes, there was no formal contract, but many promises made from the 2017 roadmap to multiple interviews. Why is that not take seriously? This is the crux of the entire disagreement and the entire reason Hive exists. These tokens had a promised purpose to fund chain development and now they are being used for that purpose. STEEM holders lost nothing as they still have their STEEM. Those who feel they were treated unfairly can apply via the Hive proposal system.

it seems that they are the ones who attacked first.

I do not agree. The initial attack was a direct threat from Justin Sun and Tron to take over the Steem community, it's tokens, and it's applications and move them to Tron. If someone directly threatens you with immediate harm and you respond accordingly, who was the first to attack? The person who made the direct threat or the person who defended themselves from it? The actions (and actual lies, not misunderstood assumptions) since that moment have proven the truth of the matter. The chain was directly attacked, centralized, and censored (twice!). How does this not concern you? How do you believe Steem is still a blockchain?

Why support something that is no longer a blockchain?

Please, let's start there with first principles. What do you believe a blockchain is? Why do you think Steem is still a public blockchain?

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Please, let's start there with first principles. What do you believe a blockchain is? Why do you think Steem is still a public blockchain?

Bingo. Generally the supporters of the idiocy going on over at Steem seem to be completely ignorant of the foundations of what they are dealing with. Not surprising because most of that group have demonstrated themselves to be there to loot it without thinking about the consequences.

It's no wonder they're upset they didn't get a parachute to Hive, because they know Steem is a dead-end blockchain.

The concerning part is some people literally just don't seem to care. They want a token that goes up in value for speculation. They don't seem to care about anything else. This is not the purpose of blockchain technology.

Additionally, this group of ignorant people don't understand what would give a blockchain-based token real, lasting value.

The only reasonable explanation I have when I try to put myself in their shoes is that they believe Justin Sun will pump up their bags for them. Of course, they'll still be left holding the bag once he dumps, or if he dumps.

He may not dump the Stinc stake because I doubt he will even bother with his market manipulation now. His support of this poorly conceived soft fork signals to me that he has written off Steem entirely and doesn't mind if it burns to the ground. His lackeys may still be doing busy work (97 days left of shitposts!) to justify remaining on the payroll, but Justin himself seems to be done pretending to add value. Aside from playing with his toys on the Steem witness list, he has ignored Steem for the last month.

Seems like he's just setting the stage for the steem token to be overlaid onto tron. He can't outwardly attempt to destroy the steem blockchain with how public it has become, but he can certainly sew the seeds of its destruction. Instead of being viewed as the destroyer of steem, he can be viewed by his sycophantic followers as the man who saved steem from itself.