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RE: Clarifying my decision not to support EOS-related posts and witnesses (100% of post rewards donated to curation initiatives)

in #steem6 years ago (edited)

I think you are talking to DonkeyPong and not me, right? It's in thread under me, so I was somewhat uncertain.

If its to me? I haven't had a vote on you for a long time, and I don't think I ever voted for jesta and anyx, I've always supported witnesses who do things I like, witnesses I can talk to and engage with anytime, that I see on the platform, drinking the coke and pepsi of the place. For the deep divers, yes many of the witnesses I vote for, also vote for me, that aligns with us having similar values, metrics and expectations for each other, but in general I will go for involved, dedicated, contributing, engaged witnesses whom I can reach pretty much any time (though I don't often exercise that as such per se, because we all tend to hang out in the same places anyway, there are only 50K active users after all, it's just a small town with only so many watering holes)

Also I often opt for lower ranked ones who work hard. Bigger ones wouldn't even notice my vote but for small ones I've moved some several positions with my proxied votes and my own. That seems beneficial to them, the chain for what I am supporting of their work with my vote and our users, by extension of the platform value-add stuff these guys do.

But to your points above. I will switch from sodas to pizza now. As a teenager in my school days I managed a pizza hut delivery. I didn't need to work at domino's to steal ideas from them, er I mean, learn from their methods and apply them in our own store. In fact, I would have been fired from one of them for trying to do both, I'm almost positive... something akin to voters responses to choosing witnesses dedicated to their "brand"

In our radio chat, and here on this page, the people against splitting time and interests anecdotally seem to out weigh those in favor of the idea. Echo chamber due to OP content and corresponding reader attraction? Maybe if it was just here or just on the radio show, but those two unique moments are producing similar results from the "crowd"

Which is where you and I differ on what you seem to consider being "engaged" in the platform and with the communities made up of the platform's users. I spend all day talking to them, the running joke being that I am "everywhere" and "always listening" which I get teased about a lot but really is just judicious use of ginabot and discord notifications and steem.chat emails lol. But the thing is I respond, nearly every single time, nearly every single hour of the day, something I've seen more of from you in a week since the meetup than I ever recall before.

I say that because I perceive that you are literally standing in a room full of people opposed to the idea of witnesses splitting their time and attention to both brands, and suggesting otherwise is going to be acceptable, makes me wonder how in touch you will be able to be with user sentiment with your attention divided if it's slightly seeming out of whack already?

Ultimately though your point seems to center around being able to learn more to bring back, that means you'll also be learning here and taking our improvements to the competitor faster. Right?

But it's all open source cork, they can see it anyway. Which underscores my point. I am pretty conversent in EOS tech already, at a white paper level as much as anybody else guessing along on telegram channels. I don't need to work there to learn how it works and use that knowledge here. In fact doing so would leave me little time to do much of either.

If you have such an abundance of free time, I will come back to my favorite repetitive question for you. What do you do with your time? You get paid a very nice full time salary. Do you spend 40 hours a week on steem? Will you spend 80 when you have two salaries? Perhaps you will say you can be more efficient and the time value of expertise warrants higher pay at fewer hours but to that I say, welp, I'll give my vote to the hardworking dedicated guy/gal/team willing to work the full shift for the same pay, its a better value proposition for me, since the competitive nature of the place and the method of dPOS voting means that guy has to be accountable and deliver "quality" and "value" to stay in his spot or someone hungrier will come take it from him by earning it harder, better, faster, stronger.

I can't speak for all "the people" but I can tell you I hear more sentiment against split personalities than I hear in support of them.

You're a decent guy, I hope you don't end up getting shunned by the people here and finding yourself in a massive cluster fuck or being outgunned over there or whatever, and losing what you HAVE invested here. That would suck, wouldn't it?

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Yes, I was replying to Tom who said I was wrong and so I wanted to clarify my position.

If we start making decisions about "hours worked" instead of value delivered, then we're going to lower the value of contributions to STEEM. I have no fear-based mentality. If people don't think I provide value, they won't vote for me. They chose to vote for me up to this point (over 5,000 accounts, 7,000 if you include proxy voters, from what I've been told) and some will chose to change their vote as well, as Tom did. I'll simply present my case and keep doing what I've been doing and let others decide if it's valuable.

There are 100 people on this page citing it bad to dual operate. But I can't make you any more aware of community sentiment than to have it laying here all around you.

Your opening statement is a logical fallacy though. And a pretty basic one.

I said I would take the guy who would perform better, more of the time. Your assertion he can't work a full shift and deliver at par or even better too is ridiculous and needs no further comment.

Taking a leadership stance isn't always about going along with the masses. I think being directly involved in multiple projects makes me better understand the space in general and how we can improve STEEM. That's speaking for myself, not others. I'm not sure which opening statement you're referring to. Discrediting my views as "too ridiculous" isn't part of healthy dialogue. Maybe some examples could help: Richard Branson, Elon Musk, etc. They are involved in many things. Are they better off for it or worse off?

(I'm not claiming to be anywhere near these legends, I'm just using it as an example to say the concept is not immediately worth ridiculing.)

Oh jesus Luke.

Point by point.

  1. "going with the masses" - you dont get to PICK to be a leader here bro ,the MASSES pick you, and they are screaming hell no to the split personality witness/bp bs, hello?

  2. Every entrepreneur you mentioned owns all their shit in the same company, our company metaphor is steem or eos. You want to work on steem and dtube and dlive? Fine You want to work for youtube and vimeo? Yeah, no. Hello? Are you even awake yet today?

  3. Opening ridiculous statement: If we start making decisions about "hours worked" instead of value delivered, then we're going to lower the value of contributions to STEEM.

If you only work part time and there are fulltimers outperforming you, which was the premise you ignored to try and sound smart again, well, you sound ridiculous, and if you are still gonna cry about how people talk to you, using the word "leadership" in a sentence makes me chuckle.

How long have you been the career world, kid, about ten minutes?

IMO, your continued condescension is childish. Why can't you type respectfully when engaging in dialogue with me? You don't talk to me this way in person or on air. Why here?

  1. I didn't say "I" get to pick anything. If my decision to be involved in multiple projects in the cryptocurrency space is seen as a threat or decreasing the value I deliver here, then they will vote. There have been times in the history of STEEM (such as "The Experiment") that were hugely unpopular by the masses but ended up causing change and later being something many changed their minds on and appreciated. That's leadership.
  2. The point wasn't about ownership (neither you nor I "own" this blockchain). It was about time spent on multiple disciplines which seems to be the crux of your argument. I seem EOS and STEEM as separate blockchains with separate goals. There will be multiple competing applications of all kinds on them and within them. I don't see a problem there as long as the value output is real.
  3. You keep making comparisons to "part time" and "fulltimers" as if that matters. The only thing that matters "outperforming." That's it. It's all about the value delivered. If some people can do that in the tenth of the time as others, so be it.

Your language with me is condescending and disrespectful. Examples:

Oh jesus Luke.
hello?
Hello? Are you even awake yet today?
if you are still gonna cry
How long have you been the career world, kid, about ten minutes?

You already know the answer to that last question, so why use passive aggression to ask it here?

Why do you revert to this language? How does it benefit you? You were respectful and passionate on air, thanked me for joining your show, and asked me to return to your community and then you talk like this? Why would I bother engaging with someone who doesn't respect me?

You didnt make such ridiculous assertions on the air, maybe because you didnt have as large an audience to try and fool and impress?

Had to replace this comment made with the wrong project account, because as usual, I was working on things for the users of the platform and prepping for value added, user retaining, engaged activities. Good thing I didn't use my EOS account roflmao, cause people here would obviously hate to see that, though that may not be so obvious to you, despite you being surrounded by it.

Keep crying about how people talk to you, it's pretty funny to watch that weakness and insecurity reveal itself.

To the best of my ability, I use the same language and make the same claims whether in text, in person, or over voice chat. From my personal experience with you, I would not say the same about you.

Could not have said it better @lukestokes. This dude has ego problems, can't talk like an adult without spiting venom...